One last WH generals visor for inspection

[Marc verstraete]

Hi guy's,

I have one last WH general visor I would like to be looked at.
Due to all the flack I have taken the past weeks on some of my items, especially on political "marine" stuff ... I' more than careful.

More pictures possible off course ...

Thank you per advance,
Marc

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[enorepap]

Hallo Marc

At first glance I like what I see: a nice visor from Traugott Rahne.

Surely not one of their post-war outputs (all from WAF are courtesy of Chris):
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...197022&page=10
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=von+der+aa
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=justiz&page=5
https://www.spandooly.de/auction_det...ion_id=1203294
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/cap-au...e-visor-23922/
http://www.historicalwarmilitariafor...or-caps/page-2

For a TR period comparison (rhomboidal-shaped sweatshield) take a look at these threads:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/a...9-a521014f128d
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/polit...s/N022963.html
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...traugott+rahne
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=294908&page=9 (post 126)

Some other information:
http://de.encyclopaedia.wikia.com/wi...42_IV_S00a.jpg

On the other side, the folds of the lining are a little messy and this is the first Rahne I see with an half-moon stirndruckfrei. This could be connected to the small, gilt and stylized letter K or H or WW I saw on them, the meaning of which is still unknown, at least to me. Therefore, it would be interesting to see some detailed images with the raised sweatband and also to check if is there any gray felt pad buffer on the front section of the reverse forehead sweatband.

Best regards

[Marc verstraete]

Hello enorepap,

Gosh guy's you have such a weird avatar names !

Thank you for your reaction that seems promising at first glance ...

You know how hard it is to lift these old dry brittle sweatbands ...

I managed to do so whiteout breaking to much ...
These is a lot of remaining orange dried "sponge" material that came out of it ...
but no grey felt ...

Marc

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[solo]

Sorry but I don't like it,I see bad signs in the sweatband and in the lining
Carlo

[enorepap]

Hallo Marc

1. Photo 8226: it confirms that the lining was mounted in a disordered way and there are two additional empty holes on one of the front pleats. I do not understand what the cardboard is made: it seems coated with the surplus stirndruckfrei fabric. Also there's a hole right under the buckram. I do not see the seam supporting the stirndruckfrei to the gray fabric. Finally, the seams of the sweatband are very confused and made with very wide steps (possibly a restoration not performed in a workmanlike manner to limit the front debacle?). The 8228 and 8229 photos confirm the above observations, more closely.

2. Photo 8227: it also confirms the above observations. I see also an excess of lining on the back that has been folded several times (this can be the sign of a large lining, adapted to a small visor). The 8230 photo confirms the above bad points, but more closely. You may clearly see that the sweatband has been sewn with two different wires and with very long stitches, dark to the right and light to the left, above which it seems to me to glimpse the empty signs of a previous seam. I can not say this for sure because it would serve me a much closer shot, as for the capboard. In fact, I can only see the black color that could be a continuation of the unusual fabric, which I referred to on point 1. This overall situation is visible and confirmed by far, lastly seeing the 8232 photo.

All in all, I do not like the interior. The lining and the sweatband are original but, in my humble opinion, they were not born together.

An explanation of my nickname: Uncle Scrooge McDuck is called Zio (Uncle) Paperone in Italian language. If you reverse it, you will obtain Enorepap, in the sense that I am the opposite of Uncle Scrooge: he is full of money and I'm dirt poor ...

Best regards

[solo]

Marcello you explaned my thoughts
Carlo

[giorgio]

yes....I fully agree with my estimated colleagues....
What a pity...outside it was really promising....
Regards
Giorgio

[SgtB]

...outside it was really promising....
Regards Giorgio

It is pretty, but clearly a parts cap. (Franky )

[Marc verstraete]

Well, seems this tread came to a stop ...

I would have liked a comment from stonemint an some others but so be it.

If I agreed earlier on the first generals cap I posted that it had been altered.

I'm not convinced about the comments on this one.

Pictures can be deceiving, one have to agree on that.

This cap was "donated " to the "former" Museum "December 44" it seems unlikely it would be a fake and also unlikely it would have been messed with ...

Directly from the family ... Like the U-BOOT Commander Meyer grouping I posted on the KM section ; And the Vizeadmiral Hoffmann as well as the other high ranking KM officers obtained directly from the families ...

I posted it for the sake of the discussion. And seems that the first impression was good, only some details inside question a eventual altering.

Don( t we used to say, first impression is always the good one ... :-)

I can live with this :-)

Thank you all,
Marc

[jacquesf]

Marc, you got a very detailed and accurate analysis already. I happened to agree with what was described very nicely. J