Afrika Korps Enlisted Artillery Overseas Cap for review

[Diane]

Good, bad, ugly? What is a fair price to pay for a cap like comments are well appreciated.

Thanks!

Diane

[NCO]

Cap looks good, not so sure about the soutache to be honest, doesn't do it for me.
Approx price without soutache 300 USD - 400 USD , IMO.
cheers
NCO

[Tim O'Keefe]

Another Hans Brandt from the beehive cache. This one is an 1142, Nov '42. Cap and insignia are original but the soutache is bad and has been added post war. $400us at very most for one of these untouched without soutache.....

[Diane]

The soutashe measures 2 millimeters in width. I do have some original wartime German soutache on rolls, in green and yellow that measure 2 millimeters.

I can't find any evidence that the a seam was opened or that the flap has been resewn. Perhaps the cap was made earlier and only dated when it left the factory.

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[NCO]

The soutashe measures 2 millimeters in width. I do have some original wartime German soutache on rolls, in green and yellow that measure 2 millimeters.

I can't find any evidence that the a seam was opened or that the flap has been resewn. Perhaps the cap was made earlier and only dated when it left the factory.

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Can we please see a pic of these soutache original roll pieces ( Green & Yellow )?.

[msteve21]

Agree with Tim comments, not that hard to add soutache, I've never seen an internal tail that long on an original applied soutache
You don't need to open the seam, to apply soutache to one of these caps

[Diane]

Can we please see a pic of these soutache original roll pieces ( Green & Yellow )?.

I have to dig it out and will try to post some tomorrow. I believe the 2 millimeter width was actually intended for collar tabs.

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[Diane]

Agree with Tim comments, not that hard to add soutache, I've never seen an internal tail that long on an original applied soutache
You don't need to open the seam, to apply soutache to one of these caps

While true, why waste time with artillery when you can double the value with Panzer or Nebelwerfer? Just saying. I will look more closely at the seam to see if it's been redone.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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[RGD51]

Agree with Tim comments, not that hard to add soutache, I've never seen an internal tail that long on an original applied soutache
You don't need to open the seam, to apply soutache to one of these caps

Me either and many Brandts are adulterated. That soutache is too thin which makes me think bad too. To machine sew requires un-doing as it has to pass under a presser foot of a machine.

Robt.

[Tim O'Keefe]

While true, why waste time with artillery when you can double the value with Panzer or Nebelwerfer? Just saying. I will look more closely at the seam to see if it's been redone.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Large numbers of these caps were bought up by an enterprising individual and the soutache was then added. Plenty of different colors too. Including many dated from '43 with an rbn#, not just HB's, Clemens Wagner caps dated Oct, Nov, Dec '42 all without soutache nowadays many have the soutache. The 1142's & 1242's should be suspect & even the 842's some are ok, others not.

[Marcel Banziger]

Postwar added soutache on a beehive cap. Many threads about this already

[NCO]

Another thing to perhaps mention here is, although this is a post war soutache the color Red needs to be a lot more deeper darker in Red , IMO.
This red color is very pale without seeing any action if it was to be 100%.
What do other members think?
Unless its my screen thats not showing the color correct.
cheers
NCO

[Diane]

The waffenfarbe for artillery is deschibed as Hochrot (bright red(. It could very well be the lighting.

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[FESTUNGBREST]

Tropical schif

soutache possibly added to increase value by dealers, in this case its very bright red, sometimes the soutache's fixation thread color passes with time if its been on a long time...in any case correctly added