Crusher Cap

[don_kihotis7]

Hi guys, is this kind of piping accepted as original?
The point where the piping is overlapping is considered normal?

Regards
Chris

[don_kihotis7]

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[pauke]

cap

Could you show the piping overlap on the other two bands of piping? Also, it is not clear exactly what the piping material is. How about a very close-up image of the material?

[afrikasandman]

Its not the norm by any means but there is all sorts of variation you see. Here is the crusher thread to see lots of examples: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=326010

Matt

[don_kihotis7]

Hi guys, thanks for the replies.
Here are the only other close ups that i have.

[DonC]

IMO, it's fine. I can't see the monetary angle in repiping a cap to medical or TSD. I suspect it got quite wet at some point and the piping fabric bunched up without the stiffener to keep it taut. It's not a true crusher - just a plain 'ol Schirmmütze with all the stiffeners removed to give it the "alter art" look.

Don

[BenVK]

Overlapping the ends is the common method for rayon piping which is what we have here.

[don_kihotis7]

Thanks Don and Ben.

Hmm so not a real crusher ha? This means that insignia could have been reapplied then.

[jacquesf]

Sometimes they used flatwire (cocade also) insignia with cords on ordinary visors, especially later in war. J

[90th Light]

Overlapping the ends is the common method for rayon piping which is what we have here.

I am not so sure that this piping is rayon,

In rare cases I have also seen it on shoulder boards. It is silk/ artificial silk thread wound around an in linen/ ersatz cotton cord.

In my opinion/ experience, it is rare and not seen very often. I asked questions if other members had seen it on these two threads/ caps which surfaced recently;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...60#post7262660

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=843755

In these two cases it was also used on TSD visors. With this being a 1944 branch of service and the visors being liberated in 1945. Thus "artificial silk - linen core spun" piping like this would appear to be only later to late war i.e. 1943 to 1945 ?

The visor that started this thread also looks to be TSD and later war 1944-45. A last effort at making a "crusher" or perhaps better described as a crusher-look visor,

Chris

[BenVK]

Hi Chris, rayon is artificial silk is it not?

I know where you're coming from though because there's rayon basket weave piping as shown on the shoulder board below and there's spun rayon thread piping which you're referring to. It's most often seen in a spiral twist rather than cylindrical as on the cap above. In any case, it would make sense to overlap the ends to stop the thread from unravelling.

Interesting that those other TSD visors have the exact same piping. I'm not sure whether it's a late war thing though, more likely there was a directive in the UM or similar period trade publication that states that this style piping should be used.

[don_kihotis7]

For some reason i was notified for the latest replies.
Chris, interesting to see 2 other caps with the same piping. The thing is that the thread starter was advertised as a real crusher and not a convert but i doubt it.

[KC1]

Chris - I took further photos of the piping on my TSD, please take a look and let me know your thoughts.

[phild]

Chris,

I have a C&W made (but not marked) W-SS officers peak cap with this type of piping in white......I like the looks of it (the cap and the piping) better than most any other that I have seen.

I have seen about 2-3 other of that same type of C&W W-SS officer with that type and all had the same type lining and made from a very high grade of tricot wool. I don't recall seeing it on other makes of W-SS peak caps...so sort of unique IMO

[Snni]

Chris,

I have a C&W made (but not marked) W-SS officers peak cap with this type of piping in white......I like the looks of it (the cap and the piping) better than most any other that I have seen.

Please post it.