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    British Khaki Pith with Heer Insignia.

    Placed a low bid on some assorted headgear at my local auction and won this, didnt think much of it when i veiwed but on getting it home ive changed my mind. The helmet is dated 41, good early date. The insignia is tight but the national shield has lost one pin so im able to push it slightly to the side and there is a diffrence in tone, dont want to push too hard and snap a pin. Lastly i found a name writtien on the liner band, something i didnt see at the auction, it appears to be Burgsmuller. Im becoming a fan of this one All comments welcome folks
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        This pattern helmet is known as the khaki sola pith helmet - and was adopted in the 1930s to replace the Wolseley pattern helmet. These were in wide use in Greece and Crete during the German invasion. And there period photos that suggest many that were captured were widely reissued to the German forces.

        So it is absolutely possible that it could be good. This is one of the patterns I'd expect to see reissued to the Germans. It looks right to me.

        As a side note: this is an actual "pith" helmet as it is made of sola pith. The Wolseley and the German patterns were made of cork, so technically not "pith" helmets.

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          After 70 years you should have some traces under the badges , at least ?
          Early badges so far , which is a good sign also !
          Nick

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            Originally posted by GAMS1 View Post
            After 70 years you should have some traces under the badges , at least ?
            Early badges so far , which is a good sign also !
            Nick
            Please read my post again, badges are tight, one badge has lost one pin so it can be moved slightly, there is evidence of colour change under this badge

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              Certainly Believable......Billbert

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                Those badges, if they have been on that pith for a long time, will have interacted with the fabric leaving a very tell tale imprint and discoloration or scoring. If that's NOT there they haven't been on long, regardless of how tight the pins have been crimped.

                Robt.

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                  Nice helmet, with added shields at some point. Must really be careful with these foreign sun helmets being pimped as German used. Just recently a dealer was offering a French unissued surplus helmet as German used with LW eagles for $1500, & an Italian straw MP helmet as a German used just by sticking on a couple German shields for $1200. Not to be outdone a gold painted eagle on a standard German sunhelmet was selling as a "generals helmet" for $1500 also. (no such thing as a LW generals helmet)

                  In this case would really like a hands on to be sure. Only from the pics, the look of the holes punched from the inside and the way the shields sit on the helmet do not inspire confidence. Also the broken prong was likely broke when transfered from another helmet to this one. However the overall wear looks good and this is one of the types of foreign helmets that was used by the DAK.

                  As Robert mentions there should be a considerable ghost behind the shields if they have been on for 70 years....

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                    Originally posted by RGD51 View Post
                    Those badges, if they have been on that pith for a long time, will have interacted with the fabric leaving a very tell tale imprint and discoloration or scoring. If that's NOT there they haven't been on long, regardless of how tight the pins have been crimped.

                    Robt.
                    Cheers for your reply, as ive mentioned there is discoloration behind the badge, hard to photograph for sure but there, i mentioned ''tight'' badges as im not going to remove them for better signs of interaction, of course. I have seen many German ''Trops ''were the tell tale signs of interaction between badge and body has not been that strong, especially trops with little field life, and have seen much evidence of interaction of badge and body on ''Trops'' that have been used extensively in the field. This was a cheap find in a local auction and even if i removed the badges i am a winner, but from having it in hand i have a good feeling and will keep this one on my shelf for some time. When time permits i will try and get a better shot from behind the badge that i can move slightly.

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                      Originally posted by Tim OK View Post
                      Nice helmet, with added shields at some point. Must really be careful with these foreign sun helmets being pimped as German used. Just recently a dealer was offering a French unissued surplus helmet as German used with LW eagles for $1500, & an Italian straw MP helmet as a German used just by sticking on a couple German shields for $1200. Not to be outdone a gold painted eagle on a standard German sunhelmet was selling as a "generals helmet" for $1500 also. (no such thing as a LW generals helmet)

                      In this case would really like a hands on to be sure. Only from the pics, the look of the holes punched from the inside and the way the shields sit on the helmet do not inspire confidence. Also the broken prong was likely broke when transfered from another helmet to this one. However the overall wear looks good and this is one of the types of foreign helmets that was used by the DAK.

                      As Robert mentions there should be a considerable ghost behind the shields if they have been on for 70 years....
                      Cheers Tim, if someone is going to pay those sort of prices for a rebadged foreign pith without evidence, water tight provenance, then they need there heads testing My hands on has given me enough to be happy with my find for now

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