Spohn artz crusher opinion please.

[Lukasz78]

This whole set belonged to one person, almost not worm, so it could be mint except moths holes unfortunately. Tunic and coat is named.
But let's talk about the crusher, i'm very pleased to hear Your opinions.
I know that was topic about that cap producer, and was some doubts about logo form. This logo i think is made from thin sheet copper which is passed into the silk lining. The letters are gold but some of them turning green. That was only my theory , but for sure is old. Its my only one crusher, so i don't know much about them, but i'm convinced that is original, but please, what do You think.

[nonameno]

Hi Lukaz,
In my opinion, it looks like a nice original, very early (Reichswehr type center band color) officers field cap. I like it a lot. It is a wonderful find with the other uniform items.
Thank you,
Curtiss

[SgtB]

It's a Janke. I'm sorry.

[stonemint]

Janke used this logo, but this is a real one, dating from the Reichswehr era, with the added felt wreath....

[SgtB]

Actually, I agree with you Chris.

It's a one-looker inside and out. Janke never made anything like this!

[Paris Gun]

It's a Janke. I'm sorry.

Since this hat doesn't feature ANY characteristics of a Janke reproduction crusher (ribbed underside on the leather visor; "Erel" type sweatband of older hats &/or the folded machine-sewn sweatband found on his latest pieces; nor treated 'crushable' internal hat-band stiffner; etc.), why did you declare this hat a Janke reproduction, only to reverse course (and with conviction I might add) after Chris had corrected your initial erroneous conclusion?

Declaratory statements/ opinions like "It's fake" &/or "It's a repro" are meritless to the educational intent of this forum; "Bandwagon" opinions are equally meritless, if neither offer any support &/or reasoning (unless the original aim of the thread was to merely solicit a consensus from the collecting community, perhaps by asking in the original thread's post 'GOOD or BAD'?).

So, I guess what I'd like to know is when exactly did you intend to 'correct' your initial comment? Would you have done so IF Chris had not responded?

[SgtB]

Ha ha! It was late and I fell asleep and forgot about it until the next day!

Hey aren't you the knucklehead that was defending those cheesy Hitler and Goering fakes and the nutjob that was selling them as the real thing? Talk about pages and pages of keypad diarrhea.

[Paris Gun]

Sgt. B: I did not defend Gary Hendershott's selling/ auctioning of the fake Hitler and Goring hats; in fact, I took the initiative to email him that they were fakes.

I, along with ALOT of Civil War Militaria collectors, will defend the authenticity of the majority of the Civil War items he offers for sale but his asking prices are rather high IMO; still, such sells regularly, so perhaps the items drive the sale price irrespective if the collecting market is 'down' as a whole.

I've also never defended any of his WW2 offerings; BUT, I guess I struck a nerve with my inquiry if you are going to resort to name calling. By the way, Mr. Hendershott is a very wealthy man, which means he could certainly afford to pursue civil litigation against you for your slanderous comments.

I'm an attorney myself, but I'm not the least bit 'riled-up' by your calling me a "knucklehead"; after all, as the saying goes, 'NEVER GET IN A MUD-WRESTLING MATCH WITH A PIG, BECAUSE YOU'LL BOTH END UP DIRTY BUT THE PIG WILL ENJOY IT!'

Thanks for taking the time to responding to the questions I originally posed; have a great day!

[juoneen]

Boys boys....you can meet at the yearly WAF get together and have five minutes at each other in the ring then....I have a question.....is the sweat band ever mounted that way with the seam on the side, looks like this one may have been re stitched, but if that way can be correct can the hat aficionados clarify either way.

[RGD51]

A great early crusher. Can't see if there was an eagle there or not...may have never had one...?

Robt.

[SgtB]

Sgt. B: I did not defend Gary Hendershott's selling/ auctioning of the fake Hitler and Goring hats; in fact, I took the initiative to email him that they were fakes.

I, along with ALOT of Civil War Militaria collectors, will defend the authenticity of the majority of the Civil War items he offers for sale but his asking prices are rather high IMO; still, such sells regularly, so perhaps the items drive the sale price irrespective if the collecting market is 'down' as a whole.

I've also never defended any of his WW2 offerings; BUT, I guess I struck a nerve with my inquiry if you are going to resort to name calling. By the way, Mr. Hendershott is a very wealthy man, which means he could certainly afford to pursue civil litigation against you for your slanderous comments.

I'm an attorney myself, but I'm not the least bit 'riled-up' by your calling me a "knucklehead"; after all, as the saying goes, 'NEVER GET IN A MUD-WRESTLING MATCH WITH A PIG, BECAUSE YOU'LL BOTH END UP DIRTY BUT THE PIG WILL ENJOY IT!'

Thanks for taking the time to responding to the questions I originally posed; have a great day!

Hey, no problem. Don't get your panties all in a twist!

And as a lawyer yourself, you should know full well that there is nothing I said that would stand up in court. I simply asked a question and mentioned no names, etc. You were the name-dropper. All you had to say was "No".

Now on the other hand, somebody that would perpetrate a fraud by bilking several hundred thousand out of some naïve rube through the sale of high-end historical fakes, well, that could easily have them sitting at the defendants table. Folks end up doing time and paying hefty fines for that kind of thing all the time.



Lukasz78;

Sorry Dude! I apologize for your thread getting so far off track. It was a tiresome joke that is used far too often on these forums, and I was much too late following up on it. It's just been so slow on the forum lately, that I wanted to generate some controversy to get things rolling. As you can see, it backfired.

It's a very nice grouping! The cap looks better with the mantel, but there are photos showing crushers and waffenrocks together as well.

Generally, crushers with this type of wreath also had metal cap eagles. Is there evidence of prong-holes through the crown? I can't see any. If so, I'd find a nicely worn nickel silver bird for it.

[Lukasz78]

no problem, many thanks guys for Your opinions.
Special thanks for Chris and Curtiss.

[drbill]

not Janke

a nice original, Janke used mark without the celluloid

[Lukasz78]

a nice original, Janke used mark without the celluloid

Maybe i don't get exactly what you mean, but there is no celluloid diamond, but i think that celluloid diamond it not the point and i think i saw a Janke with celluloid diamond also. About the differences between Janke and original was already written by Paris Gun. IMHO Janke logo is inspired by this one, but Janke is made by ordinary stamp and is not the same, if you look carefully at Janke logo you see a lot of differences not only technique it was made, but also the form. As a matter of fact, thanks for opinion indeed is nice original.

[darekm]

I think it would look nice restored with the first pattern eagle, considering the colour of the band and the felt wreath.