My Panzer E.M Overseas Cap

[krim4142]

I posted photos of my Panzer E.M Overseas cap, one of the resident experts in all things pertaining to the The Third Reich. Wrote a one word responce to my photos COPY: Most members reading this will know , that an individual writing in all caps is the same as shouting. In other words crass behavior.

I sent the cap to a well known dealer for an opinion, I view the attached document to be very professional. And extremely well done.

Peter.

[codytrcollector]

I completely understand your reasoning to vindicate your cap but the detailed letter you've posted will only help the fakers who visit these fora to learn what to do and what not do. It would also be helpful if you could post said cap.

[krim4142]

My Panzer E.M Overseas Cap

I tried to post photos the same ones I used with the original post, but they will not link up . I even tried to find the opening post , but I may of deleted it. I will try again in the morning.

Peter.

[codytrcollector]

Thank you Peter.

[90th Light]

I do not want to be the bearer of bad news but there is nothing in that "expert" appraisal that says 101% original made before May 1945 to me.

In fact what has been stated about the cockade seems to be a reason for concern.

Thus to quote one advanced panzer collector who knows his stuff;

" I could entertain doubts"

Basically it could be anything one could imagine it to be. May be some images will help more than a written appraisal on this one,

Chris

[Tim O'Keefe]

Picture's worth a thousand words, especially when it comes to collecting.....when you have the time post the caps photos.

[Glenn McInnes]

Picture's worth a thousand words, especially when it comes to collecting.....when you have the time post the caps photos.

I'll assume that it is this one. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=603222

I can't tell from the bad photos but the kokarde might be one of these types. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=382060





Glenn

[Tim O'Keefe]

Thanks Glenn,

Well in this case a few photo's are worth a great deal more than all those words and paper.....

[90th Light]

I'll assume that it is this one. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=603222

I can't tell from the bad photos but the kokarde might be one of these types. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=382060

Glenn

Thanks Glenn,

well I have no problem with the cockade if it is one of those types i.e. black on field grey. In my opinion these are the very first of the black panzer sidecap badges. The inital first type.

As for the cap,

I still entertain doubts on more than one point. However it would be interesting to know if the grommets are brass or the plated magnetic type. My guess is brass and thus more doubts,

Chris

[Daniel.S]

I sent the cap to a well known dealer for an opinion,
Peter.

Who is the dealer? is he the one who sold the cap to you?

Daniel.

[krim4142]

My Panzer E.M Overseas Cap

Gentlemen I'm not trying to defend an obvious copy, the author of the review stated the following: That the weight was correct, also the lining was good. The second pattern Eagle is correct and hand sewn in the right manner.

This is the final paragraph.

Based on these observations, it is my opinion that this cap is original and with an original eagle, but the other insignias as outlined above are reapplied as a poor, postwar restoration.

I can live with the reapplied insignias, many of the members of this forum have items in their collection that are not 100% original. They may be aware of this many are not.

Finally the individual that wrote the review, is not the person that sold me the cap. However he is an individual that has been given credit, for his assistance in a major reference book.

Peter.

[LuckyStrike23]

these are the only Lago Wien stamps that I consider original - at least I have never seen another one in original caps:

[krim4142]

My Panzer E.M Overseas Cap

The grommets are non magnetic, and not made of brass.

Peter.

[Tim O'Keefe]

Hi Peter

Would still like to see the inside of the grommets if possible, but think the verdict is already in on this one....many of the better fake caps have original insignia applied to help try to fool collectors.

[B. N. Singer]

...many of the better fake caps have original insignia applied to help try to fool collectors.

Right you are Tim, original insignia applied to deceive, Not "re-applied"; as in the case of another example in different, recently posted "panzer side cap" thread.

B. Regards,
Bryon