Olympic visor cap / Opinions!

[The Tiger]

Hello guys, than take a look on this olympic cap . It is a cap from the war or after war ? Thanks and best regards!
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[Britian_Jacky]

From what i can see no because on the tag on the back of the hat is seems to be a 53 but it could be from the 1936 olympics but i don't see any nazi symbols since in 1936 about everyone voted for hitler so the swastika was very popular. But this is my opinion since I'm not a big collector but it looks very nice.

[ErichK]

The hat looks post war production to me; construction and materials.

[Rick C]

There’s mention of an HJ style cap (not the one pictured) wherein Nick G. mentions the HJ (ski cap) having a front buckle here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t+front+buckle

There’s a (similar but different) black one shown here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t+front+buckle that Lenny W. says is a civilian cap. Period photo (posted by Kurt Meyer) below.

Finally, there’s a post war one (buckle front) having similar leather trim on the visor (but not the sides) here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t+front+buckle wherein Stonemint mentions “I have yet to see a pic of any HJ wearing a leather-trimmed visor.”

I suppose the label makes certain sense from the standpoint of the winter events. I couldn't blow it up very well (below)

[Rick C]

interesting link: http://www.oakleafmilitaria.com/115h4.html

Photos from Oakleaf

[stonemint]

I lean postwar on that hat as well, but these are not my area. The maker of Rudi's hat is Brammer of Hamburg, and they did survive the war.

Here is a ski-cap similar to the one in the picture posted by Rick from Shea's site:

[Britian_Jacky]

I think its defiantly a post war hat since that sort of quality of materials wasn't available to the germans until they fixed there economy so i reckon this is an 1970s 1980s hat, however i could be wrong about the quality of materials. That buckle seems more modern than old to me.

[Rick C]

Forgetting the pins on the subject piece, I think a closer analysis of Oakleaf's cap would help - even though it doesn't appear to me that the insignia was always there. If he carried out any due diligence in establishing the cap period (or remotely tied to RAD even though rebadged) then there's a starting point showing a front buckle configured cap as well as a leather/leatherette trimmed visor.

From there the next question that pops into my head is might the RAD organization have fielded a ski team during that period?

The buckles look 'similar', albeit facing different directions and the cap is no more garish than some other Olympic caps shown in other threads. As to the materials not looking period, I just find that kind of conclusion hard to jump to by viewing photos.

I don't know but I find it somehow compelling (almost a ski hybrid) in appearance when next to a RAD style cap.

[JackHun]

In my opinion the yellow "leather" especially at the buckle looks very synthetic. Also the sewing is quite sloppy there. I would also say much after the wartime.

Jack

[ErichK]

With all due respect, the hat that started this thread doesn't need, IMO anyway, a deeper analysis. One look at the material used for the buckle and edging screams;"cheap vinyl"! I've not seen a hat with that material that I even thought was earlier than post war.
The interior label also is a major red flag.
To use another example where someone slapped a RAD roundel on a brown civilian cap and calls it RAD does not further the legitimacy of the "Olympic" cap.
No doubt that civilian caps were used as uniform parts during the war. The HJ give many examples of such.

In the end, to each his own.

[DKNYC71]

I think the hat that started this thread is from the 1980's. Anyone remotely familiar with headgear would know there is not a chance in the world that it is from anywhere near the 1930/40's. On a side note, the hat from Bill Shea's site, has always puzzled me regarding its true vintage. On one hand, it looks like it might be from the 1930's, on the other hand, if indeed it was, it would have been snapped up in an instance and not linger on the website for all these years. I would love to hear some eduacted opinions on it, if indeed it is possible to truly date it.

[Britian_Jacky]

The stitching is also very modern 80s 90s type of stitching. plus the if the hat was an olympic hat from 1936 some stitching would have been broken and that it wouldn't be in such nice condition. The badge on the right seems like a repro for something different not for olympics. Plus what type of badge on the front is that. It looks like an american hat companies. However that just what i think i may be wrong