Need your help with flat-wire rosette for officer's side cap

[Nick Komiya]

What is your opinion on this first flatwire rosette for an army pz officer's side cap?
I am only familiar with the type shown on bottom where the red part has no check pattern, but done simply by vertical red silk threads.
I have observed the first type on repros, but so far not seen one on a cap I was sure was real. I would be grateful for some quick replies.

[Nick Komiya]

If the first photo was not good enough, here's another

[Nick Komiya]

Here's the discussion thread on the cap itself. I am comfortable with everything except the rosette, which I have not enough experience to judge. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ficer+side+cap

[Nick Komiya]

If no one can help me with the flat wire rosette configuration for officers, how about if we switched the discussion to the EM version? In the EM rosettes, are there known originals in which the center red circle shows a checkered weave pattern? Here again, I am used to seeing red silk threads running across the circle without a checkered pattern.

[90th Light]

Hello Nick,

here is couple of original pre-May 45 tropical cockades with the checkered effect to compare with.

This is accepted for EM/ NCO version woven made from rayon or artificial silk but is it acceptable for the officer types woven using silver thread ???

Chris

[Nick Komiya]

Chris,

That is a great help, thanks. Is this type of tropical rosette regarded as a late type?
I ask because the cap is a later model.

[90th Light]

Chris,

That is a great help, thanks. Is this type of tropical rosette regarded as a late type?
I ask because the cap is a later model.

The top cockade can be seen usually 41, 42 & 43 dated caps The lower example is more likely to be 42, 43 & 44

Have a look at this thread on the subject Nick, it may be of some help or interest,

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...opical+cockade

Chris

[Nick Komiya]

I appreciate the useful link, thank you very much.