HEADGEAR C.Louis Weber

[sans probleme]

hello all
I would like your opinion on this pretty cap
Carver: C.Louis Weber
I have a really good feeling for her and I would not be wrong
thank you
best regards
TEDDY
PS: If need more pictures ... no problem and excuse me for photos that are not top
































Overhoff TK M1/24

WAGNER eagle475/42

[Arran]

My feelings are this: its a "Frankenstein" made using some original parts. C. Louis Weber did make some "contract quality" caps for civil organizations, and I believe this is where the lining and sweatband (note its been re-positioned and re-attached) came from. Private purchase C. Louis Weber caps, which an SS cap would HAVE to be, are of much better quality of materials and construction, and do not use this type of lining material...

[tgn]

Sweatband looks replaced or at least re-sewn.

Tom

[sans probleme]

thank you for your printing
other opinions are welcome

[drbill]

opinion

maybe a frankie but very well put together

[Richard T]

A Heer Cav cap with SS insignia, note dark green band

Richard

[drbill]

no

Looks black to me, you must be color blind

[stonemint]

My feelings are this: its a "Frankenstein" made using some original parts. C. Louis Weber did make some "contract quality" caps for civil organizations, and I believe this is where the lining and sweatband (note its been re-positioned and re-attached) came from. Private purchase C. Louis Weber caps, which an SS cap would HAVE to be, are of much better quality of materials and construction, and do not use this type of lining material...

I agree.

[sans probleme]

thank's for your reply
best regards

[Pascal Bernhard]

maybe a frankie but very well put together

Endeed Gentlemen,


To be honnest I know this cap since around 25 years... (I'm not the owner)
Originaly comes from a big collection in Paris and endeed the sweatband could be restaured, regarding the bad condition on one end...

The center band is indeed black and not dark green

I the case this is a "Franki" and former WH cavalerie

Than I have any questions:

- where are the former WH oakleaf crown pin holes left and right of the skull ?
- Where are the stichings below the bottom edge piping ?
- the "political" chinstrap seem also perfectly matching

But I'm still learning, and every day I'm reading a new very good explanation why this or that turns into a fake...
(sorry te be a little sarcastic... But I'm really tired that every time that it appears a color piped W-SS cap, even in accordance with the authenticity criteria described on this forum, it still remains a fake...).

OK it's true... 90% of them are fakes... But here I think it's really impotant to know a real good reason and not only to "brake" the item...

If it's a fake, so it's an early 80th fake...

But as said, let us learn

Thanks you very much

Regards
Pascal.

[Pascal Bernhard]

Sweatband looks replaced or at least re-sewn.

Tom

agree.

[Arran]

Pascal, if someone is going to go to the lengths of dismantling a cap to its elements to make up a "Frankenstein" by replacing the band and lining, then they will simply replace the pasteboard as well. Also, I don't think this was ever a C.Louis Weber Heer cavalry cap- I think only the lining and sweatband are their products. The exterior elements, IMO, have come from elsewhere...

PS. Is the true circumference of the inside 59cms?

[stonemint]

Unfortunately, just about every color-piped SS cap we see today started out with something like this:

[stonemint]

& still one of my favorite threads of all time:


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ack+grommet%22

[Pascal Bernhard]

Thanks a lot for this additional information !

and this kind of fakes exists since the early 80 th ? or perhaps already before ?