Geheime Feldpolizei der Luftwaffe - Schirmmütze 1943

[Norman Keller]

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SSA,

If you think its a good cap and won't listen to any of the forum members telling you that it's total fantasy, then put it back in your collection a be happy with it. The members here are only trying to save you some embarrassment when and if you display, show, or try to sell it.
You persistence in continuing your argument is currently an embarrassment to this forum.

[SSA]

Norman,

obviously you did not even read my postings. It's not my cap and it's not for sale.
And I still heard no serious arguments against it. the main problem is obviously that some members are convinced that this configuration is fantasy, but if this is true, there should be no wartime pics existing right?

I'll upload some pics...

[SSA]

May be a very rare and original hat

in my opinion is made from an italian head factory after september 43

may be the special group was in Rome and the very rare little group was in

KOMANDO DER LUFTWAFFE Rome at service of Kesserling

A very nice hat, no doubt for me.

Tell me more about this theory...! Sounds interesting...

[SSA]

[Robert Shoaf]

Fer Chrissakes, it's a Waffen-SS eagle in the photo, NOT a Luftwaffe. Have you ever bothered to read the Angolia or Davis multi-volume works on Luftwaffe uniforms & insignia?????

[SSA]

Fer Chrissakes, it's a Waffen-SS eagle in the photo, NOT a Luftwaffe. Have you ever bothered to read the Angolia or Davis multi-volume works on Luftwaffe uniforms & insignia?????

No it's not. Take a closer look, on the left pic you can even see the LW-eagle's head under the right wing and on the pic on the right you can very clearly see that the wings are curved and that there is no eagle head above in the middle of the wings...
sorry to say that, but you need to get new classes.

[Lenny W]

Ss eagle on cap imo not luftwaffe

[Arran]

I think its an SS eagle too. Keep in mind that black wool caps with velvet bands and silver piping with skulls on the bands were for Allgemeine SS Generals, and to simply put a repro Luft breast eagle on it doesn't make any sense at all. And as far as the quality of the cap, show me any visor cap, either German or Italian, that has metallic piping hand sewn over piping which matches the cap body- it just wasn't done! Plus, of course, the cap in the photo is feldgrau with a black velvet band, not black with a black band like the abortion that started this thread...

[SSA]

The pics are from 1944, so the shown agent is a member of "Geheime Feldpolizei der Luftwaffe", founded in 1943...

Ask yourself a simple question: why in hell should a member of the Luftwaffe wear a SS eagle? That makes no sense... he is the bodyguard of Göring and a member of the Luftwaffe...

What eagles are member of the Luftwaffe wearing? Right, the question rather was if the Luftwaffe had SS-deathheads and I think the question is answered now...
I think it's already very clear that a LW cap with Totenkopf must not be fantasy, beside what Bubaku said about the "Kommando der Luftwaffe" and the fact that the shown italian cap would fit in the historical context of both special forces.

I think this thread could bring us a very interesting discussion about little known elite forces of the LW as long as we discuss this seriously.

[SSA]

show me any visor cap, either German or Italian, that has metallic piping hand sewn over piping which matches the cap body- it just wasn't done!

Not in Germany, definately not. But indeed in Italy... since the member Bubaku is from Italy and said it's good without a question... I think this verifies what I already saw on italian caps as well.

Plus, of course, the cap in the photo is feldgrau with a black velvet band, not black with a black band like the abortion that started this thread...

That's really the only aspect that makes me thinking if LW-GFP is not the right track... If this agents wear all grey caps, a black one doesn't fit... I agree.
Perhaps Bubakus opinion is the right one and this is a Schirmmütze of "Kommando der Luftwaffe".

[OSS]

This thread has got to be a joke.

[SSA]

May be a very rare and original hat

in my opinion is made from an italian head factory after september 43

may be the special group was in Rome and the very rare little group was in

KOMMANDO DER LUFTWAFFE Rome at service of Kesselring

A very nice hat, no doubt for me.

I think you are right, since I can find only pictures of LW-GFP agents with deathheads on grey hats but not on black ones... So if we are right and the hat is authentic, it's most likely related to this Kommando.

Thanks for your profound opinion.

[DRK]

[helmutderpa]

I think that it should be possible to find on the web pictures of Lady Gaga wearing that kind of hat...

[jacquesf]

I think that it should be possible to find on the web pictures of Lady Gaga wearing that kind of hat...

It is definitely a Gaga hat. Jacques