Signal visor cap in Norway / Opinions please

[Loke]

Signal visor cap. Opinions are most welcome.

Cincerely,

Der Jäger

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[jacquesf]

Cavalry piping imo. Jacques

[DonC]

Definitely Cav yellow.

Don

[Robert Shoaf]

Did EREL ever use such low-quality wool, even on late war caps?

Bob Shoaf

[Loke]

Thanks for answers. Bob, you are right, its a late war cap.
It is now stated that this cap is a cavallery cap, not a pioneers cap as incorrectly described in the headline.

Further expert comments on details like insignia, cloth etc. on this CAVALLERY visor are most welcome.

Cincerely,

Loke

[steiner99]

Looks like a nice cavallery EREL but I beleave the sweatband is reattached.
I can't beelave or better I never seen a mint EREL like this with such a poor sweatband extension!

steiner99

[Loke]

...but I beleave the sweatband is reattached.

Hi Steiner99,

thx for your comment. If a reattachment is the case, do you think this could have been done during the war?

Cincerely,

Loke

[stonemint]

Did EREL ever use such low-quality wool, even on late war caps?

Bob Shoaf

Bob--yes, but not often--you see more of the heavy Trikot than the "blanket-wool" (as I call it).

[sturmbannfuhrer]

By June 1944 no Cavalry existed, according to the book "The German Order of Battle" which was directly reprinted post war from collated from Allied intelligence prior to the D Day landings.

This would make this cap Panzer Recon..

I would be interested in what other members think about that statement from the 1944 Allied Inteligence.

J T

[turbopanzer]

hi

Hi Loke
Congrats nice cavalery cap.
I have seen serveral caps with this type of SB attacement here in Norway.

I think they find a Big storage in the 1960`s with a lot of untouched visors in all diffrent piping colours here in Norway,with that SB attachement.

J T i dont now anything about Cavalery dident exsist after June 1944 but hope some can help us to get that info.

Best regards
Turbo

[DonC]

By June 1944 no Cavalry existed, according to the book "The German Order of Battle" which was directly reprinted post war from collated from Allied intelligence prior to the D Day landings.

This would make this cap Panzer Recon..

I would be interested in what other members think about that statement from the 1944 Allied Inteligence.

J T

I think Phillip Freiherr von Boselager would have been very surprised to hear that, JT...

Don

[SgtB]

Looks like a nice cavallery EREL but I beleave the sweatband is reattached.
I can't beelave or better I never seen a mint EREL like this with such a poor sweatband extension!

steiner99

I believe it is 100% wartime original. I don't know exactly what the reason for the need of a sweatband extension was, but I have a heavily worn erel infantry visor with a very similar one. It was probably just due to wartime shortages and the national psyche which frowned on wasting even a strip of leather. Maybe a newbie cut a bunch of sweatbands too short.
But why they couldn't have put it in a smaller cap, I don't know.

[Sharkey1807]

I don't know exactly what the reason for the need of a sweatband extension was, but I have a heavily worn erel infantry visor with a very similar one.

I don't have any ideas about original visors.
But i have a guess why a sweatband-extension was neccessary.
When you look into early war pictures of a soldier and then in late war pictures you can see significant changes on their bodyweight and physiognomy.
Through to less food and stress they lost a lot of weight.
So maybe this specific visor simply didn't fit anymore the soldiers head diameter and he let put a additional sweatband to make it smaller.