Diplomatic leader visor cap (Gold) in Norway / Opinions please

[Loke]

Diplomatic leader visor cap. Opinions about this cap are most welcome. Main question: Is it the real deal, or not? Additional pictures can be posted if necessary.

Please take a look at the other diplomatic leader visor cap as well.

Der Jäger

[Kreager]

Lets start by pointing out the original parts. The Sweatband, liner and visor are all from the same Pekuro cap. The not so good things, You can see how the sweatband was attached by using thread just below the bottom piping. Also the SB's center seam is not in the middle of the cap. Going by these pics it looks like a Frankenstein cap to me. When dealing with these Frankenstein caps or any high end cap for that matter, you also would want to show pics from behind the SB and the pasteboard. In this case Pekuro used a very distinct pasteboard and stiffner. Also take a look at the measurements found on the backside of the SB as well as the liner, make sure they match up with the actual circumference of the cap.

Matt

[paul s.]

Matt
You are,of course, spot on.Diplo caps really should be among the easiest to spot.I have posted the same thing numerous times before.You generally don't need to get past the eagle.They should be magnificent in their detail.Look to postings of real ones for examples.Look at the cross stitching on the breast,on the beaks,the eyes the talons,the wings.They are almost always the immediate tell on diplo's
Best Regards
Paul

[Loke]

Thanks for your replies, Matt and Paul.
At this point it is not an option to start stretching or bending the caps interior to take more photos, possibly with a negative outcome.

Matt: When you refer to this cap as a "Frankenstein," does this phrase mean that its your opinion that the cap has been put together of different, possibly unmatching parts? I am afraid this makes no sense to me, out of the general state the cap is in, and the superb quality in all its details. I do not know what you found in one of the photos, to me there are absolutely no assymetric matters with this minor used cap.

Paul: You refer to the general high quality of a diplomat eagle, do you see anything at all on this caps eagle which is clearly incorrect?

It would be great if you guys could share any photos of other authentic and untouched visor caps.

Cincerely,

Der Jäger

[paul s.]

There is a lck of detail to the breast ,face and wings.They really should be among the most magnificent eagles that you will ever see.
Perhaps one of our members call pull one from the archives.Otherwise I gladly consent if anyone wants to post one of the detail pictures of a diplo eagle from Robby Wilson's and my book

[stonemint]

I agree, a Franky Pekuro. Shape is wrong for Pekky, due to the re-cut for the piping (among the other areas already mentioned).

Insignia is better than the Paki stuff I have seen on some fakes of late, but still pales in comparison to authentic TR diplo embroidery.

Paul, I will post your pic from your book.

[stonemint]

There is a lck of detail to the breast ,face and wings.They really should be among the most magnificent eagles that you will ever see.
Perhaps one of our members call pull one from the archives.Otherwise I gladly consent if anyone wants to post one of the detail pictures of a diplo eagle from Robby Wilson's and my book

Here is a high-level Diplo/GO with Celleon insignia from Exotische

[Loke]

Hi, thanks for your contributions. Obviously quite different eagles on the two caps in the thread, but its it possible that the "gold" cap is just another variation, still the real ting? I am no expert, but variations are often common among other types of visor caps?

Cincerely,

Der Jäger

[Jon. H]

Thank you for posting the photo from the book stoney ! Indeed it shows the quality used by the diplomatic corps, which was amazing. The Ribbentrop visor in that book screams quality.

Der Jäger. It is a different eagle type, but it's not original IMO. To low quality.

Take a look here to see a complete fake diplomat's visor, but the insignia on this one shows higher quality than on the one you posted.

[Loke]

Thx for comments, Stonemint and Jon-Olav Holden. Could you please also share your opinions over this other other diplomat cap:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=519913

Cincerely,

Der Jäger

[Loke]

Some extra interios photos
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[Kreager]

Your new pics proved this is a Frankenstein cap. Probably the same person made the Silver piped cap. Do yourself a favor and look at past threads about Pekuro caps and you will start to see the differences.

Good Luck

[Loke]

As things have turned out lately, the solid inputs questioning the authenticity
of the two visor caps and the insignia have led to a return of them to the previous owner.
Thanks to you Kreager, and other contributors.

Cincerely,

Der Jäger

[stonemint]

The original photos: