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**ManuelR** · 03-28-2004, 06:56 PM

here are the photos!

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**CSP** · 03-28-2004, 07:06 PM

keine Foto

**ManuelR** · 03-28-2004, 07:20 PM

scott I am facing problems with the attachments ,send you an email! can you post them for me? thanks manuel

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**ManuelR** · 03-28-2004, 07:22 PM

well problem is solved! sorry about this!

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**ManuelR** · 03-28-2004, 07:23 PM

here is one from the inside!

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**teka** · 03-29-2004, 12:09 AM

Hi,

hard to tell from the pics.... Could be ok.
I let the caps specialists tell their opinions...
Gruß
Teka

**GJR100** · 03-29-2004, 01:22 AM

Hi Manuel,

Judging the first two pictures, the cap seems Ok. The background color of the eagle seems to be the early brown/gray color. The silver Officer-Cord seems to be factory applied (this is consistent with the year 1942). The shape of the cap seems Ok too. The fact that worries me is the light gray sweatband. I'm kind of alergic to this as many copies use this kind of sweatband.

As I said, judging the outside, this cap seems Ok. Seeing the inside ... This is realy a cap that should be handled before I could give a better opinion.

I hope this helps,
Bart

**Michael Kuligowski** · 03-29-2004, 02:46 AM

I would vote definetly for post war bundeswehr - grey sweetband - not for me.. also style...
post war IMHO...
but thats just me..

**derspiess63** · 03-29-2004, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by Kuligow

I would vote definetly for post war bundeswehr - grey sweetband - not for me.. also style...
post war IMHO...
but thats just me..

In my HUMBLE opinion this cap is a post-war replica;it's hard to judge anything just by looking at some pictures but the light-grey sweat-band could be enough!Always in my opinion there's something not quite 100% right with its shape and to add the icing on the cake I don't like the markings at all!
It's only my opinion and being this cap in one of our friends' collection I would love to be way wrong!
Manny

**ManuelR** · 03-29-2004, 08:57 AM

thanks all!!!! I will post new photos tonight!I am back home!
since the swetband looks to be the problem I will try to get better pictures of it . bart, did this color of sweetband existed during the war?
black light test is ok.
this cap is part of a larger lot , a big mistery!
this soldier was killed in 44. thanks again manuel

**GJR100** · 03-29-2004, 11:39 AM

Hi Manuel,

Just to give an example not all caps were the standard form we would always like them to be ...

Found on a show these days, I don't think this cap would be sold with a lifetime guarentee

To me this cap is not by default postwar bundeswehr.

It's the interior that wurries me. Manny is right in the way the marking look suspicious. Also the color of the lining has me worrying.
The gray sweatband was sometimes used in Schirmmuetzen. The Bergmuetzen/M43 I trust have usually a brown sweatband.
The caps I have seen with a gray sweatband were always (at least IMO) reproductions.

Bart

**Langemark** · 03-29-2004, 11:48 AM

Can't give an opinion.

A close-up of the inside of the grommets, of the button holes, of the back of the sweatband, of the insignia, of the lining, would probably help a lot.

Mark

**derspiess63** · 03-29-2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by GJR100

Hi Manuel,

Just to give an example not all caps were the standard form we would always like them to be ...

Found on a show these days, I don't think this cap would be sold with a lifetime guarentee

To me this cap is not by default postwar bundeswehr.

It's the interior that wurries me. Manny is right in the way the marking look suspicious. Also the color of the lining has me worrying.
The gray sweatband was sometimes used in Schirmmuetzen. The Bergmuetzen/M43 I trust have usually a brown sweatband.
The caps I have seen with a gray sweatband were always (at least IMO) reproductions.

Bart

Hi Bart,
Imo this M43 has been "crushed" by the Landers himself.....it was very fashionable to do that and I'd buy it even without guarantee...........its shape would return in its pristine condition handling the cap ten seconds split

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I agree with you when it comes to the sweatband;I own a gorgeous M36 bergmutze(which I'll post soon...honest!Cros my heart and hope to sneeze!) which has a brown sweatband and I've only seen this one in repros/fakes!
Manny

**Paris Gun** · 03-29-2004, 02:01 PM

IMO, the cap is original, without seeing further pics. I will speak later at length for my reasons why, but to begin with, I have not seen a post-war Berg with the correct rounded portion on the ear flaps where the buttons are affixed, nor one in doeskin. From the pics provided, I don't understand how one can make the leap that it is post-war simply based upon a gray sweatband, UNLESS the stampings do it in. I don't have any reference material closeby to verify the style/appearance of the stamping.

Like others, I'd also like to see the manner in which the sweatband was sewn, and close-ups of the interior and especially the air vents. However, without having seen these, nothing in the photos presented prompts me to suggest this cap is post-war, and certainly not because the sweatband is gray. With respect to the cap's form/shape/appearance, the mid-war date affects the appearance of the cap. I have a 44 dated officer's "Bergmutze", but it does not have any of the characteristics that an 'early' Bergmutze would have (high peak, one air vent, internal stiffner, etc.).

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