cap,real or not?

[inspector71]

Dear All,

Can anyone tell me if this is a genuine cap?
I have another wich i m sure is real but there are slight diferences between this one and the one i already have.
(eagle claws,smaller kokarde,plus the eagle is a bit discolored)

Thanks for Your efforts

Kind regards

Benjamin (inspector71)



http://www.militariaweb.com/d/lot.cfm?lotID=2772584

[ROBB]

I know nothing of caps really ,but the cloth looks new ,Rob

[bnz. 42]

No rivets ?!

[JOHN VD HEIJDEN]

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Hello Benjamin
IMO the eagle shine,s to much and has also a very strange neck
I would never bid on a piece that has no clearly pic,s
also can you tell from the pic of the soutache is original on this piece



Groetje,s johnny

[JOHN VD HEIJDEN]

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Hello Benjamin I saw you already are going for this one
Better ask an opion on this side first and then go for it

I wouldn,t like that your going to throw your money away

[keifer kahn]

I would look for something else.Or at least get better pics.

BNZ,
Black panzer caps should have grommets(rivets)but feldgrau m34,s/m38,s can have them or not have them.
Private purchase caps in particular dont have them But issue caps tend to have them.
There are also many period photos showing side caps without grommets.
also several reference books.

[inspector71]

Hello Benjamin I saw you already are going for this one
Better ask an opion on this side first and then go for it

I wouldn,t like that your going to throw your money away

Hi Johnny,

Well I got that 21 days return policy,and it looked ok on the picture.
But thanks for Your opinion on it.
Can t i check the eagle by testing it with UV light?

Kind regards

Benjamin

[Michael Kuligowski]

Hello !!
cap looks rather suspicious than promising.. I would expect this cap to have some 60 years old fading.. looks not "soft" enough.. has nor trace of storage.....
more doubts than positive feelings...

how about better pictures ???

[inspector71]

thanks

Dear All,

Thanks for all your feedback on this matter.
Unfortunattly, these where good copies with in detail minor differences.
First of all the missing rivets (thank You BNZ), the eagle claws where not as distinctive as the original,and there wasn't any discoloration due to sunlight.(of course it could have been a "wehrmacht bestand" article but as Mike(thanks) already stated, it did not show any sign of that)
Last test was of course the UV light testing, wich lit up the eagle.

So to all,be warned there are some genuine looking caps going around with maker stamp,so be carefull.

once again many thanks for all the input

Benjamin

[keifer kahn]

Bemjamin didnt you read my post?

Missing ventilation grommets dont indicate repro in a feldgrau cap.

BNZ is wrong on this point.

As for the eagle,s claws being different,there were 44 different manufacturers of insignia in the wuppertal area alone so not much point comparing one eagle with another.They all differ.

Theonly test i can see here that perhaps means anything is the blacklight and all that indicates is that the eagle may be bad,not the whole cap.
And if the cap was washed at some point,the insignia may glow any way.
That may also account for why the cloth looks relatively fresh.

I wouldnt take for gospel ,some of the people offering opinions on here.
I know from my experience some of them have very limited knowledge.

[Johannes Schoen]

I think the way the eagle is aattached is a bad sign. It was sewn through the backing which is normally folded back and not to be seen (or only very little at the edge). Compare picture from auction with picture from a repro

Johannes

[Johannes Schoen]

This repro has the same SPRENGPFEIL maker mark as the piece in the auction

[inspector71]

Hi Keifer,

Thanks for the input well the thing is is that i got a infantrie schiffchen wich is genuine as a reference.
there are really significant differences between the two.
next to that i bought it as a set and the panzercap I bought with it has excactly the same eagle.
Next to that it has no discoloration,and both caps have exactly the same form.
I will try to make some pictures of the genuine eagle
as reference.
I m eager to hear Your opinion on this

Kind regards

Benjamin

Bemjamin didnt you read my post?

Missing ventilation grommets dont indicate repro in a feldgrau cap.

BNZ is wrong on this point.

As for the eagle,s claws being different,there were 44 different manufacturers of insignia in the wuppertal area alone so not much point comparing one eagle with another.They all differ.

Theonly test i can see here that perhaps means anything is the blacklight and all that indicates is that the eagle may be bad,not the whole cap.
And if the cap was washed at some point,the insignia may glow any way.
That may also account for why the cloth looks relatively fresh.

I wouldnt take for gospel ,some of the people offering opinions on here.
I know from my experience some of them have very limited knowledge.

[inspector71]

Thanks Johannes for the input.
Maybe by any chance do You have some detailed pics of a genuine cap eagle as reference?

Kind regards

Benjamin

This repro has the same SPRENGPFEIL maker mark as the piece in the auction

[Johannes Schoen]

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