Opinions requested on Tropical Field Cap

[90th Light]

No I think this is going to be a different thread than the last one.

Lets narrow it down now shall we;

which parts of this cap are original and which parts are not ???

Here we shall find the key that unlocks the door.

Hmm ! may be I will take up talking in riddles on this forum and they could become my version of a "one liner"

Chris

[NZMark]

In this case the simile would be a completely fake tunic with a (possibly?) original eagle sewn on to legitimize it...?
Mark.

[Mark Gibson]

All I am saying here for now, know some answers on this one but lets see what other come up with,

Chris

Chris,
Don't pussyfoot around. If you know the origins of this cap just say so.

[90th Light]

In this case the simile would be a completely fake tunic with a (possibly?) original eagle sewn on to legitimize it...?
Mark.

Mark don't you mean cap not tunic ?

It has got an original tropical cockade as well has it not ?

Chris

[90th Light]

Chris,
Don't pussyfoot around. If you know the origins of this cap just say so.

I do not know the origins of it Mark. I would not be that mean that I would not share that here if I did.

but like you, I at first thought "meine Gott" then I went through what I can see via a computer images part by part of the cap and started to add the total together.

It does not add up.

and I also remember a thread we had a while back about a Lago-Wien Panzer cap where it turned out that the zinc grommets had been taken from another cap and added to make the Panzer cap look beyond doubt. Look at the tabs on those grommets, have they been lifted and folded back down or not ???

Tells you something does it not. Would also like a better image of the exterior side of the grommet,

Chris

p.s. and what about the material the liner is made from, ever seen that before on an original tropical M40 ???

[Mark Gibson]

Chris,
I actually find myself agreeing with you here. Yes, the grommets do look to have been messed with hence my question regarding them in an earlier post. I also started to question the liner which did not look right.
Looks to be a scratch made fake and made to fool. Very well done but once the stars clear the problems start coming to the surface.

I had actually thought that you were going to take us on another long debate about this cap, which I had grown quite tired of with the last cap.

Take care

Mark

[90th Light]

Chris,
I actually find myself agreeing with you here. Yes, the grommets do look to have been messed with hence my question regarding them in an earlier post. I also started to question the liner which did not look right.
Looks to be a scratch made fake and made to fool. Very well done but once the stars clear the problems start coming to the surface.

Take care

Mark

Lets face it Mark, this has been designed to fool those who are willing to pay. Imagine putting that up on ebay with slightly blurry images and a high but reasonable "buy now" It would sell fast and not until it arrived would the real picture become clearer.

A maker I have never ever heard of so did they make caps at all ???

We might have had our differences in the last thread on that cap but more than one person has PM or email me to say that they got quite a bit out of the debate and in the end I think we got to the bottom of it.

One thing in common this one has with the last thread....................,

"Its that eagle again"

Chris

[MilitaryCollect]

fake cap

Hello,

I agree that the wear of the cap does not nearly match the sweatband.

Christopher

[MilitaryCollect]

another fake eagle

Hello,

I think Chris is right about the bird. Please note the head, beek, and peculiar stitching pattern between the rows of feathers.

C.

[JOHN VD HEIJDEN]

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IMHO both eagle,s are 100% original

[NZMark]

Mark don't you mean cap not tunic ?

It has got an original tropical cockade as well has it not ?

Chris

No - that's why I used the word 'tunic', not 'cap', as well as the word 'simile'.
Now. Other than talking around it, what exactly do you see wrong with this cap, Chris? I've given a list of my concerns - what are yours?
I think Michael deserves better answers than 'I don't like it' from experienced members...
With Respect,
Mark

[90th Light]

No - that's why I used the word 'tunic', not 'cap', as well as the word 'simile'.
Now. Other than talking around it, what exactly do you see wrong with this cap, Chris? I've given a list of my concerns - what are yours?
I think Michael deserves better answers than 'I don't like it' from experienced members...
With Respect,
Mark

Well you have lost me on the tunic Mark

I thought I had already given Micheal a couple of red flags I can see but ok here is another one;

In the lower half of post number 4 showing the sweatband folded down (DAKcollector1 shows it again in post number 23), on the viewers left of the image one sees a bit of exterior twill cloth cut on an angle. Now what is that and have you seen that before on a period tropical M40 cap ??? because I have not but I have seen it on West German M43 type caps made after 1957. Seems to be something to do with how they apply the visor to a cap like this post war and probably reflects use of a newer post-war industrial sewing machines or a post-war simplified method of attachment.

OK your turn now because what do we have left;

1/ the soutache and its application
2/ the silver piping and its application
3/ the twill the cap body is made from
4/ the sweat band itself, its materials, construction plus application

I also repeat what I said in post number 16 about some parts being original,

Chris

[NZMark]

Chris,
Better look up the word 'simile'
And as for some of my concerns - take another look at my very first posting.
So as not to draw out the agony out on this one, I'll bow out now - I've said my piece.
Mark

[90th Light]

Chris,
Better look up the word 'simile'
And as for some of my concerns - take another look at my very first posting.
So as not to draw out the agony out on this one, I'll bow out now - I've said my piece.
Mark

Hello Mark, yes I understand what you mean by "simile" but if I or Michael were not a party to the thread about the tunic then the comparison becomes one of perception only.

but no big deal, I think we are all in agreement on this one and sadly it is not a nice finding for Michael so I hope he did not pay too much.

Interesting how the same eagle has turned up twice in as many threads, would you not agree,

Chris

[NZMark]

Yes - interesting but not surprising. Only one question remains for me - WHEN was this made?
Mark