Thoughts on this Panzer M43

[macca007]

Hi all,

any thoughts on this Panzer M43 cap.

Cheers
Mark

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I know they are small pics and will ask for better ones.

Cheers
Mark

[Lenny W]

common FAKE do a search! and you will see no need to ask for better pics as well save your money

[B. N. Singer]

I could entertain a doubt.

B. N. Singer

[90th Light]

I think one would need a hands on inspection to make a decision one way or the other on this cap.

In my opinion it has several factors going for it and I for one would not write it off just because it has green bias material. I know they have that on reproductions but there are also original M43's with that type of bias which is what the fakers copied in the first place so that alone is not a deciding factor.

Plus the trap is a far harder style to find and very rarely encounted on a reproduction verses some of the commonly encountered M43 Panzer traps which one sees more often.

This one has real potential to in fact be an original, Chris

[Lenny W]

I think one would need a hands on inspection to make a decision one way or the other on this cap.

In my opinion it has several factors going for it and I for one would not write it off just because it has green bias material. I know they have that on reproductions but there are also original M43's with that type of bias which is what the fakers copied in the first place so that alone is not a deciding factor.

Plus the trap is a far harder style to find and very rarely encounted on a reproduction verses some of the commonly encountered M43 Panzer traps which one sees more often.

This one has real potential to in fact be an original, Chris

waist of time for a hands on i think its the normal trap we always see its just a little scuffed up towards the head area and hand applied, can you post some pics of these original caps with that type of bias material all the originals i have ever seen are the same as the army caps but black

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waist of time for a hands on i think its the normal trap we always see its just a little scuffed up towards the head area and hand applied, can you post some pics of these original caps with that type of bias material all the originals i have ever seen are the same as the army caps but black

Bit unsure what you are saying here Lenny but that is no common trap. Go back through the Panzer M43 threads and see what I mean . Most you see are the ones with the slightly larger than usual swaz in laurel surround.

The trap on this cap has a normal size swaz in laurel surround (normal as in the same size as the field grey versions) which one does not see very often at all except on original caps. Very hard pressed to think of many dealers who have had that "normal" type trap for sale on its own. Does not come up very often at all and would be a hard one for a faker to get their hands on.

I agree that one does not see the green bias on a Panzer M43 often and I too have seen it more on field grey examples but there is no reason why it would be wrong as you say the Panzer version is only a black example of the field grey ones. Same makers, same factories.

This one has potential, Chris

p.s. what looks like "scuffed up towards the head area" is where the zig-zag stitch application has gone over its mark and stitched along the top of the head which does happen sometimes. They have also got the bottom of the roundal/ cockade so they were not mucking around when they put that trap on.