Visor Construction Question

[sabersandsuch]

Hello,

Did third Reich period or earlier visor caps ever have black plastic or celluloid support bands on the inside, under the lining of course?

Thank you
Tony

[Kreager]

Hello,

Did third Reich period or earlier visor caps ever have black plastic or celluloid support bands on the inside, under the lining of course?

Thank you
Tony

I've seen some KM caps with such Celluloid material. Have yet to see a Heer one. Interested to hear what others have to say.

[NTZ]

I seen one heer with cello but damn it is very, very, very, very rare to have anything other than paste board.

[phild]

I seen one heer with cello but damn it is very, very, very, very rare to have anything other than paste board.

I'm surprised that you did not mention the Heer caps by Pekru with the cello band and "no" traditional lining. There have been at least one or two posted on this board in the Pekru threads, but I have missed any real discussion of them...or there has just been none.

[BenVK]

This one springs to mind.

[BenVK]

The cap cover material was very interesting too.

[sabersandsuch]

Thank you for the replies. What kind of material is on the interior of the Luft visor caps? I have 2 I pulled from vets I know are 100%, they have black celluloid like bands. The army I mentioned had a similar type band, I will try to get photos and post them, it appeared to be either very early or prewar though......

[Kreager]

Thank you for the replies. What kind of material is on the interior of the Luft visor caps? I have 2 I pulled from vets I know are 100%, they have black celluloid like bands. The army I mentioned had a similar type band, I will try to get photos and post them, it appeared to be either very early or prewar though......

Are they like the one posted by BenVK? Or does it have a texture to it almost like a coated cheesecloth (it's actually a resin)? The later of the two is more common.

[sabersandsuch]

A very fine cheese cloth covered, must be resin then. I've never seen on elike BenVK's.

[phild]

I'm surprised that you did not mention the Heer caps by Pekuro with the cello band and "no" traditional lining. There have been at least one or two posted on this board in the Pekuro threads, but I have missed any real discussion of them...or there has just been none.

Since I did not get any traction with my post above , I spent about an hour searching the forum for some posted examples. I got tired and gave up...pretty intersting the lack of posts considering the radical design of this variation.

The thread linked below does show (in photo #2) an example of the type of interior that I am speaking of.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=pekuro

I found maybe 10-15 different post of this type of lining...that is to say a lining without a lining! What I could not find was any photo where the poster bothered to lift the sweatband and show the most interesting part of all....an orange hard cello reverse to the "band".....

I would like to hear anybody's input on this type of interior.

[Kreager]

Since I did not get any traction with my post above , I spent about an hour searching the forum for some posted examples. I got tired and gave up...pretty intersting the lack of posts considering the radical design of this variation.

The thread linked below does show (in photo #2) an example of the type of interior that I am speaking of.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=pekuro

I found maybe 10-15 different post of this type of lining...that is to say a lining without a lining! What I could not find was any photo where the poster bothered to lift the sweatband and show the most interesting part of all....an orange hard cello reverse to the "band".....

I would like to hear anybody's input on this type of interior.

Sure we've seen the type you are explaining. You're right the majority are by Pekuro, But mostly for Civilian orginizations not so much Heer caps, but encountered, yes. If someone owns one of these can you please tell us if it's actually celluloid or a resin?

[phild]

Sure we've seen the type you are explaining. You're right the majority are by Pekuro, But mostly for Civilian orginizations not so much Heer caps, but encountered, yes. If someone owns one of these can you please tell us if it's actually celluloid or a resin?

Thanks for the response. I happen to own one, hence my interest. Mine is a named Art. Heer officer marked only Reichs patent, stirndrucfrei.

As to the actual composition of the band backing I do not know. I can say that it hard and semi-gloss texture (orange/tan color) and somewhat flexible ....in other words like a plastic...but not that material .

[stonemint]

Kreager is right--they are mostly found on civilian caps, and I have had some with the synthetic material (it is not plastic.) I know we have commented on the types of stiffeners on other threads some time ago. There is celluloid, pasteboard, the resin-coated cheesecloth, the waterproof treated stiffened cotton (usually in KM caps)--plastic ones are strictly postwar.

[phild]

Kreager is right--they are mostly found on civilian caps, and I have had some with the synthetic material (it is not plastic.) I know we have commented on the types of stiffeners on other threads some time ago. There is celluloid, pasteboard, the resin-coated cheesecloth, the waterproof treated stiffened cotton (usually in KM caps)--plastic ones are strictly postwar.

I would think that the one in the cap types that I am speaking of is in fact celluloid. The more interesting aspect too me is how they managed to make a very neat/clean looking interior in this type and not use any side panel lining. The upper area of the side panel is backed and the band area is not, but of course hidden by the headband anyway.