Luftwaffe m43 officers cap

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[jim murray]

m43 cap

Thanks for quick, reply but the cap shown is not like this in many ways. You have to look at stitching in parts of the cap not in picture, the photos that Bill has are not that clear. If you had the cap in hand and look at the downturn flaps, these are machine sewn as well as hand sewn. Also at the back of the cap hwere the flaps meet, the sewing has been done on a wartime machine.. Not to say these machines we used just after the war as well. I would lean to say maybe this could be Italian made. The points you made about the buttons I do agree with, but still looking to find positive points on this cap to prove it post war made. This cap still does not have the same features as Bund caps that I have seen. These all seem to be mass -made air gromets same stitching, etc. I still want to see the match of this cap to say it's Bundeswher. These are some of the reasons that Bill Shea must have seen in this cap as well. Still looking for positive points on this cap to prove whether post war or war-time, not just similarity caps. Regards, Jim .

[Lenny W]

The visor stitching is wrong, the interior is wrong, the buttons are wrong, the piping is wrong.

Here is another Bundeswher cap being passed off as TR. See any similarities?

not even close

[juvatwad]

not even close

Other than the visor stitching, lining, buttons, proportions, etc....


Whatever. I had it in hand and showed it to other knowledgable guys. It's not a WWII Luft cap. If you want to talk yourself into it, though, go ahead.

[Jos L C]

Thanks for quick, reply but the cap shown is not like this in many ways. You have to look at stitching in parts of the cap not in picture, the photos that Bill has are not that clear. If you had the cap in hand and look at the downturn flaps, these are machine sewn as well as hand sewn. Also at the back of the cap hwere the flaps meet, the sewing has been done on a wartime machine.. Not to say these machines we used just after the war as well. I would lean to say maybe this could be Italian made. The points you made about the buttons I do agree with, but still looking to find positive points on this cap to prove it post war made. This cap still does not have the same features as Bund caps that I have seen. These all seem to be mass -made air gromets same stitching, etc. I still want to see the match of this cap to say it's Bundeswher. These are some of the reasons that Bill Shea must have seen in this cap as well. Still looking for positive points on this cap to prove whether post war or war-time, not just similarity caps. Regards, Jim .

First thing to me would be the lining.., I remember that the early Bundes stuff was very similar to war stuff, caps, overseas caps, tunics..
The early Bund tunics converted to "real" I've seen had a pretty dark lining near to black..
The funny thing with this cap is the twisted cord, hardly found on garbardine caps IMO.

Jos.

[Willi Z.]

That cap wouldn't be for me....

But, John's would be!

[juvatwad]

Here are the photos I took when I had it. Maybe they will be more informative.

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[Jos L C]

These pics are much better, I now see the cord isn't twisted, but just weird.., still not for my collection.

Jos.

[John Hodgin]

I now see the cord isn't twisted, but just weird..,
Jos.

Wondered about this from the beginning Jos, just figured your drinks are much stronger than mine.

[jim murray]

m43 cap

Thanks Ian you beat me to it, much better pics. Jos the pipping is shoulder board edging, not twisted cord. The cap has some things you would see in private purchase. But if the majority of top collectors give it the thumbs down, Paul will send it back to Bill Shea. Paul has Bills permisson to trash this one out to the end. I still would like to see a side by side comparison. Not like the first class cap posted by John. A private purchace type.
Regards Paul/ Jim.