Is there such a thing as a Luftwaffe general's visor cap that never had a celluloid sweatshield? Bullion insignia, looks right as rain, but absolutely no maker's marks of any kind, and never had a sweatshield in the top -- not removed, mind you, but never had one. Does anyone have any experience of such an animal?
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Lets see pics Chris
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I have a Paul Kaps with no sweatshield. The maker's logo is embossed directly into the black silk lining.Comment
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Thanks Leroy.
I'll expand the question to any Luftwaffe officer's visor. Has anyone else seen or heard of Luftwaffe officers' visors made without celluloid sweathshields? Or generic visor hats without maker markings?
No pics. I'm not interested in the standard goat-rope of authentication of an individual piece by democracy. I'm asking a general academic theoretical question here. Did all officers' hats have shields and makers? Specifically, did all general officers' hats have shields and makers?Comment
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Chris,
If you mean "shields AND/OR makers", my observation is that there is usually one or the other. I don't recall seeing one without one or the other. I suppose anything is possible, but I would be nervous about one with NOTHING.
Regards,
LeroyComment
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For a visor cap yes most all should have has a shield with 2 well know exceptions. Late war Pekuro’s and some Paul Kaps. Are there others? Maybe, but I have yet to see one. No way to be any more precise, sorry.Originally posted by Chris View PostComment
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Originally posted by NTZ View Post
I can't think of any other right now other than Kaps and Pekky. Celluloid sweatshields came into vogue in the 30's, and it seems like just about every maker jumped on the concept. If you look at wartime Kaiserzeit visors, every one I have seen did not have a sweatshield, and oftentimes lacked a maker, but the opposite trend was true during the TR.
This raises a good question--what is the earliest-dated hat with a sweatdiamond? A good deal of Weimar visors have the diamond, but unfortunatly, no date. Some of those early ones are of a very thin celluloid that had a tendency to crack and break quite easily.NEC SOLI CEDITComment
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Let's assume for the moment a hypothetical LW officer's hat is a latewar Pekuro with a well-worn textbook velvet Stirndruckfrei band. But otherwise no visible maker marks on the liner or the sweatband.
Are there examples out there of "off-brand" Pekuros, like there are of combat badges -- pieces made by a particular maker but without the usual maker marks for sales and marketing purposes?
Besides the buckram in the forepeak, the square pattern perforated forehead area of the sweatband, and the Pekuro aluminum stiffener, are there other latewar Pekuro characteristics to be aware of? The ribbing or pleating of the lining material around the circumference of the head, for example, seems to have been less pronounced towards the end, perhaps to save material.Comment
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[QUOTE=Chris;2942672]Let's assume for the moment a hypothetical LW officer's hat is a latewar Pekuro with a well-worn textbook velvet Stirndruckfrei band. But otherwise no visible maker marks on the liner or the sweatband.
Are there examples out there of "off-brand" Pekuros, like there are of combat badges -- pieces made by a particular maker but without the usual maker marks for sales and marketing purposes?
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In one word, yes. There were many distributors of Pekuro visors.Comment
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