please post a close up of the ss trap insignia i think it might be a bad one as well
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To date the WAF forum has not addressed the question of SS M43 caps with any certainity.
Those who say they are bad are often reciting the myths or collector folklore which has been passed down to them. When hard pressed for facts, their argument weakens quickly.
On the other hand those members who say every thing is 100% period also can become stressed to tell you exactly why it is right.
The result is a very mis-understood item of German head-gear falling victim to all sorts of rumors.
If these two caps were mine I would not come to any conclusion based on what has been said here so far and would seek opinion from more than one quarter.
Personally I have been making a study of RB and RF numbers in SS items and I have to say that I really like the the fact that the code number in your HBT lined cap does not have an RB or RF pre-fix before it. This is a very good sign of an original cap with one of these.
The other cap also has several features I like too but it is hard to say more without a hand on inspection.
If these were mine then I would not accept too quickly that they are reproductions.
I hope the forum will at some stage pick up the challenge and make a proper study of these caps because the situation at the moment is really only one of confusion,
ChrisLast edited by 90th Light; 08-28-2008, 07:27 PM.Comment
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trap.
thank you for the info. Chris. I picked the caps up personally overseas years ago, and I have never seen the czech film stamp faked. I am attaching a close up that someone requested of the insignia.
If there is a long time member that is well known as an expert on these caps, I would send a cap to them for inspection.Comment
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The trap is a fake and appears to have been artificially distressed only in the skull and eagle area to try and disguise it.Comment
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thanks for confirming my suspicion tony bad insignia and caps imo and would not need a hands on inspectionGive a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.Comment
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To Start Out With, The Material Used Does Not Match Known Original Examples. Faking Of Eastern Block Film Company Stamps Has Been Going On Now For Well Over Ten Years.
Listing Items For Sale In A Thread Is A Violation Of The Rules Of Conduct Of This Forum. Any Item Listed For Sale Must Be Offered In The E- Stand.Comment
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No worries Bob,
I moved these hats from the Estand to here for discussion.
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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Hello Tony,Originally posted by TonyS View Post
the actual trap is not my area of expertise so I certainly respect your judgement on that one. Now have to say that a bad trap factory applied is not a good sign at all.
Best regards, ChrisComment
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Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
Good thing you did not buy it then, as you seemed rather convinced that it was original.
The members who posted their comments here,know these type hats very well.Perhaps next time you will take that into consideration.
No one here who posted is obligated to explain anything.
With regards,
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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Bob,Originally posted by Bob Coleman View Post
I have a 1944 dated WH M43 vet brought back from Italy which is dead ringer for the material on one of those caps. The problem is that I am making this judgment over a computer monitor but from what I can tell, we seem to have the correct tinge of green on the one with the missing skull for 1943 and the correct tinge of brown on the trap example for 1944. Again I repeat the need for me to get a hands on to be sure but I feel on this point they are correct.
Could you be more specific as to what you mean ?
ChrisComment
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Personally I feel this is uncalled for Glen and not in the spirit of a good debate.Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post
I see no point in you trying to put me down just because I am saying lets get to the bottom of this.
At the end of the day none of us you included know it all.
With respect, ChrisComment
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To everyone that provided details regarding the caps, thank you. I was looking for details and certainly got them. It is my opinion that if the Trap. is bad, then the cap is bad. These are still (at least one) a very confusing cap. It has known maker labels as Chris pointed out, and known material used. However, the the Trap. is bad, then it must be a fake. Also, I have never heard of the film studio stamps being copies; thanks for the info. Lastly, someone mentioned items being listed for sale in this thread. Actually, I did not violate rules, I had it in e-stand and it was moved to here for discussion by an Admin. Well this is bad news for me, since I paid a little for the caps, but it is a learning experience. Again, thanks for the details.Comment
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The members who posted their comments here,know these type hats very well.Perhaps next time you will take that into consideration.
No one here who posted is obligated to explain anything.
With regards,
Glenn[/QUOTE]
I agree that I do not like this type of response on this forum. I am a teacher and "it's bad" is a failing response. It is bad because of . . . . . . Is an answer that helps everyone.
As far as "I am an expert, believe everything I say" theory. I disagree. My father had a Civil War expert look at a Confederate tunic that he has. The man looked at it and said "Oh yes this is a repro made in the sixties for the centinial celabrations. My father then asked how sure he was. The man said 100% positive. My dad then told him he saw this tunic back when he was a kid in the late 40's and bought it in the mid sixties. Theory wrong. Another expert said that all of the 60's repos were in the Virginia pattern and this one was the elusive Texas cut.
There is alot of knowledge on this forum but I would like to have more proof and evidence on an item than Yes or No
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