Come to think of it, I think this was decided to be a fake:
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This is a 100% fake logo on a "LW Generals" visor:NEC SOLI CEDITComment
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A real one:NEC SOLI CEDITComment
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Now, I will agree, this one is blurrier than the one above it. The size tag is not characteristic of CW. There is no "gap" between the 3 sections that make up the 3 "feathers". Also, the diamond does not show between the gap in the feathers.
However, this assumes that CW used the same die for every logo. Also, the type of silk and the pattern will cause different "bleeds" of the silver ink, and then there is the issue of the type of ink itself. If the above hat is a fake, then it is probably from the same faker who made either the black-grommet Erels or the Heavyweight fakes. I am on the fence, and need to see more of these.NEC SOLI CEDITComment
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Hello Gentlemen,
Here is an another example for sale at Tarn Militaria.
Thanks,
Curtiss
http://www.tarnmilitaria.nl/showpics.../579412mei2008Comment
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Here is another V.A.d.LW, but this is printed, and not a foil logo (and there are original foil logos):NEC SOLI CEDITComment
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This is an excellent thread, nice work Chris. It's high time a study of CW's was undertaken.Originally posted by nonameno View Post
From the link above, take a look at the 4th pic down out of 5.
This cap has a manufacturer's stamp impressed on the reverse of the sweatband. We now have a sweatband stamping, unlike previous sweatband stampings I have previously seen on a CW.
Now we have the CW "date stamp" used on side caps, converted for use as a size stamp, with off center number
Does any else have a CW with one of these stamps, this is the first I have seen.
We are now seeing a lot of full roll over sweatband Clemens Wagner's knocking about on websites. I like the stirndrukfrei and half roll over types, but I'm not too impressed with the full roll over type, from the examples I have seen so far.
J TComment
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Hi everyone
really interesting thread.....
Several years ago I bought the "brother" of the cap posted by Curtiss in the other thread......
(I can't post pics...so if someone give me the mail I'll send them to post).
I'd say same material, same logo and same stamp under the SB and in mint conditions as well.......
The only difference is the typical CW stitching of the SB.......
I don't want to say nothing about his originality........but now the natural question is: does this kind of cap exist only in mint conditions? Does someone has a similar cap used?
I've always considered it a good cap.......let's see.........
Otherwise I'm learning another expensive lesson.......
Warmest regards
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the blured logo is the first turn off, but they made some nice ones!
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Hi Giorgio, I hope it is the real deal.Originally posted by giorgio View Post
We will probably see a few of the formally mint caps being distressed now, to emulate ageing, its a fact of this field I'm afraid.
Let's see what comes through the grapevine.
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Hello Gentlemen,
The Luftwaffe officers visor cap I just picked up is almost mint, but does show some light wear. The leather sweatband shows wear, and it has the metal stud owner's initials, which of course would be easy to duplicate, but they appear to have been there a long time, even when looked at from the back. Notice too the difference in eagles between my visor and the one that Michael Everett posted, which he recently purchased at a German show. While the lettering of the logo is not totaly crisp, it does show a nice rich foil appearance, and not just a cheap silver printing.
I anxiously await other opinions.
Thank you all,
CurtissComment
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This is in a Luft. Officers visor, "Meifter Klaffe" ( Meister Klasse). The sweatband is also marked in the typical CW way.Comment
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Originally posted by nonameno View Post
Just to elaberate on Curtiss's point.
Below is an example of a C W that I was offered last year that is mint, looks quite flimsy and has a load of stuff on it that I don't like personally. I turned it down.
The point with this one is it looks mint and unissued, yet has an Initial metal stud on it, looks like it had 2 but the other is missing. Believe me, this one has no place on this cap I am showing. It has no wear at all if you see the other pics I was sent.Comment
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The sweatband may look dirty in the pics, but it is actually the grain of the material not dirt.Comment
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Made in 1942 according to the date stamp!!!!!!
I would say that Wagner's would have been far better than this in 1942.
Maybe 1944, not 42 though.Comment
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