Were there Heer Panzer caps in the Luftwaffe/SS cut? The insignia looks postwar applied
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Not one that I would want.I would pass on it.
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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i would pass as well Mark pm sentGive a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.Comment
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Thank you Gene, Glenn & Lenny
In answer to a query, it has NO bias material between woollen shell and cotton liner...also not a great sign
Many Thanks for the replies
Best Regards,
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Mark,
Sorry I didn't have a chance to weigh in on this sooner. In answer to Gene's question there is photograpic evidence that shows that there were some Heer panzer caps in the SS/Luft cut. I have actually seen a couple that looked original...but try and convince anyone else.
This cap has so many problems. The cut doesn't even look right for SS or Luft. The wool looks rather cheesy, the lining material is horrid, the insignia sparsely sewn, oh well, like Glenn said "Not one that I would want."
Nice mannequin head, his eyes need some veins so they have a bloodshot appearance to match his "the Russians just broke through" stare. Keep up the good work.
Richard PComment
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Liner material kind of looks like cap may have started life civil police fire overseas at one time..Anythings possible...If priced right it may be a bargain filler for a tough to find cap.. But when its time to sell it...Billbert
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Speak of the devil. About an hour ago on the History Channel, there was a show on the Tiger tank. They interviewed a Heer Panzermann, Otto Carius, and showed wartime footage of him wearing a Luftwaffe/SS pattern black overseas cap with officer piping.WAF LIFE COACHComment
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Thats why ya gotta love this hobby!!Billbert
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There is a thought, I wonder if its a panzer police sidecap ??? with original panzer WH insignia added ? Certainly later war quality wool.Originally posted by billbert View PostLiner material kind of looks like cap may have started life civil police fire overseas at one time..Anythings possible...If priced right it may be a bargain filler for a tough to find cap.. But when its time to sell it...Billbert
Spectulation aside, the WH insignia is original for sure and that has to have some sort of reasonable value today because WH Panzer cap eagles and early model WH panzer cockades are not all that easy to find,
ChrisComment
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Its been a while but if I remember correctly in his book Otto does explain that his mom made him that cap (easier to make in this simplified style).Originally posted by Gene View Post
Here's an Osprey illustration of him. He wore the cap without a cockade!
It does not explain the cap in this thread...
I don't think the cap in question is Panzer polizei... The liner material reminds me of something French made (for the Germans?). Insignia is indeed fine, cap is odd, but not impossible...I am not concerned about the way the insignia has been handstitched like that. Not unheard of at all but the cap remains a mystery...If you want text book this one is not for you! That's for sure!Last edited by NickG; 01-25-2009, 11:52 PM.Comment
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And so...unless provenance or dirt cheap and a lot of faith....Originally posted by NickG View PostComment
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I wonder how many "Mom" made period caps of pre-may 45 manufacture we have written off on this forum ?
Personally, I see no crime in variations. I know we say wait and get a text book one or save your money for better example but when you have been collecting for a while then a period variation can be just as interesting as a one looker but in a different way.
The thousand dollar question with a cap like this becomes, do you keep it as it is because it is period oddity or do you remove the insignia and restore a stripped text book example. (Text book example will have more dollar value.)
In my opinion the cap which started this thread is probably good enough to be left in tact and continue the discussions about what it is exactly. I see nothing blatant which says fake but on the other hand it is always going to have a question mark over it.
I still however think I would keep together with the insignia or do others disagree ?
ChrisLast edited by 90th Light; 01-27-2009, 07:11 AM.Comment
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This cap mainly gets back to price and personal collecting rules. If it's reasonable, then it may be worth it to have as a very unusual variation, but there is always that chance you may find out down the road that Bubba put that one together in his basement. Collectors personal call on this one. I would leave as is.
RichardComment
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Excellent summation Richard. I could not have put it better myself,
Chris
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