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    Luftwaffe GREEN assault gunners M43?

    Thoughts on this Luftwaffe GREEN assault gunners M43 cap?
    According to seller (asking big bucks...he turned down an offer north of 950Euro)
    there are only 1/2 dozen green Luftwaffe traps known to be in collections and this trap is original to the cap! So mega rare according to seller and he claims it most likely belonged to a HG Div Sturmgeschutz Abteilung soldier.
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    Last edited by NickG; 05-15-2008, 10:43 PM.
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    close up

    close up of GREEN Luftwaffe trap original to the hat!
    (swastika covered up... not damaged!)
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      #3
      liner

      liner detail with RBNr #
      These are the only pictures I have...scanned copies taken from the web, so not the best quality... Looks promising I think!
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        #4
        Maybe this means something..maybe it doesnt.. I have NEVER seen a luftwaffe green trapaziod loose in any insignia group yet OR a luft trapaziod in green cutoff a hat section as a war trophy in almost 40 years of collecting..Manion hat a gigantic insignia collection he sold in the 80 s..It did not have one...JMHO Billbert
        we had entensive contact with HG during war in Italy etc yet not 1 bring back trapaziod...

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          #5
          This is a frightening thing.
          I agree with billbert and haven't seen one of these before, anywhere; nevertheless this eagle just strikes me, on a "gut" level, as correct.
          Leroy

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            #6
            I collect loose insignia and have never seen such a thing, but it does seem right, i can't say i don't like it. Matt

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              #7
              Nick, authentic field grey Luft. M43s exist. They were produced and worn. However, the reproductions are so excellent that no conclusion can be drawn from the low res. photos you posted. In addition, field grey M43s are so rare that most do not have enough experience with them to be of any genuine help to you. Be very careful with these and with whom you accept help from on them.

              My initial opinion of this cap is not positive, but this opinion should be taken lightly. :-)
              Regards,
              John
              Last edited by John Hodgin; 05-16-2008, 09:18 AM.
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                #8
                Originally posted by John Hodgin View Post
                ...My initial opinion of this cap is not positive...
                Regards,
                John
                Absolutely Not.

                B. N. Singer

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by B. N. Singer View Post
                  Absolutely Not.

                  B. N. Singer
                  Since he has commented, I might add that Mr. Singer's opinion on these caps is one opinion that you should heed.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by John Hodgin View Post
                    Since he has commented, I might add that Mr. Singer's opinion on these caps is one opinion that you should heed.
                    Really John, you give me MUCH TOO much credit here.

                    Let the facts be told, I have not seen, let alone owned an Original example; and the same can be said for some of the most advanced hat collectors that I know.

                    That being said, I find myself entertaining doubts about the hat and would recommend caution.

                    B. N. Singer

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by B. N. Singer View Post
                      Really John, you give me MUCH TOO much credit here.

                      Let the facts be told, I have not seen, let alone owned an Original example; and the same can be said for some of the most advanced hat collectors that I know.

                      That being said, I find myself entertaining doubts about the hat and would recommend caution.

                      B. N. Singer
                      Hi Bryon,

                      More facts; you are too modest.

                      I know of one authentic field grey example in a very advanced collection. Regarding the details, the genuine cap does not resemble the cap posted here.

                      Best,
                      John
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                        #12
                        Well I agree, being so rare with little reference, it is a big gamble... George Peterson does reference these green LW M43's in one of his LW books and this style is for sure is ligit and would match the green uniforms perfectly, so there was a need for these, no doubt about that.
                        Note that this particular cap did pop up in Holland which happens to be where the HG was stationed..(ersatz und ausbildung in Utrecht)...Who knows?
                        Its outside of my budget so even if I wanted to take a chance on it I couldn't...
                        Out of curiosity sake I posted it as I wanted to seek feedback from the cap experts on this one, as its so rare! Thanks for the warning! Nick

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                          #13
                          950 Euros would be very cheap for an original.

                          Having handled an original recently I would agree with the concerns of others. I would like to see a closeup of the RBNr though.
                          Willi

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