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    #16
    Originally posted by km-spain View Post
    I'm not sure if my understanding in right, do you really think that this is a WSS cap transformed to KA?, sorry but I disagree with you, this is the typical KA sidecap, all are in this way with the piping along the top seam. My mind is that some times pleople want to transform the KM caps, blue/black or fieldgrey to SS because they are very similar, but for sure this is a KA cap and has nothing to do as a WSS cap.
    Sorry Eduardo but this is a 100% typical W SS sidecap and not KM.In the KM overseas cap the seam is well wisible on the top.
    Tomorrow I'll post some period photos where is possible to see the SS overseas cap.

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      #17
      coastal arty cap (no visible piping)
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        #18
        side view
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          #19
          Originally posted by Francesco View Post
          Sorry Eduardo but this is a 100% typical W SS sidecap and not KM.In the KM overseas cap the seam is well wisible on the top.
          Tomorrow I'll post some period photos where is possible to see the SS overseas cap.
          Francesco, I know that this is the style of the WSS sidecaps, but also of the KA ones. i have seen many KA sidecaps and all have also this style, perhaps I'm not understanding the meaning of your posts.

          Here some KA side caps, all with similar piping on the top seams, some more clearly than others, but IMO this are only slight differences of makers.

          This one is of same maker tahn André's one, same lininig and same white size stamp, but slight diferent on the top.
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          Eduardo

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            #20
            An other one with the piping more clear.
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            Eduardo

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              #21
              An another one with the piping not too deep, and crossing from right to left on the front instead from left to right as is usual, but this is also IMO another maker difference.
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              Eduardo

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                #22
                No additional information or comments about this subject?

                I do not agree with the afirmation that these sidecaps with piping on the top are all from WSS, I have seen a lot KA like these.
                Collector of Kriegsmarine and Küstenartillerie items

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                Eduardo

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                  #23
                  Good Moorning Eduardo,
                  In the sidecaps you have posted only one have the SS style piping (post N°20) the other are not like the SS schiffchen.
                  Now,IMO the KM sometime has used the SS type overseas cap like the SS has used sometime sidecap like the KM but I still remain of the same opinion that the one started this thread is a classic w-SS cap.
                  If you see the period pics the SS use this kind of cap in a percentual of 90/95% and the KM maybe 10%.......it means something???

                  best,
                  Francesco

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                    #24
                    Francesco, perhaps you are right, but IMO is only a difference on the finished of each cap.

                    Here you can see the lining of my fist cap (post 19), that is IMo from same maker that the one posted by André, so the construction is the same, the fabrics also, ... but the finished of the sewing is slight different.

                    Anyway as I told before perhaps you are right, but I have seen many KA caps with that piping.
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                    Eduardo

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                      #25
                      In the other hand, I have seen also this kind of KM cap, made in black cloth and not in dark blue, with WSS emblems as panzer side cap, but also IMO this is a KM cap and not a WSS one.
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                      Eduardo

                      Collecting Kriegsmarine !!!: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=725610

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                        #26
                        Nice sidecaps!

                        Indeed there where a lot of KM-artillery caps converted to SS-caps post war by dealers/collectors.
                        Probably never the other way around, but never say never there are a lot of fools around

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                          #27
                          Here's mine

                          Here's my KM coastal cap and it clearly also has the same false so-called "Waffen SS" crown piping. I also heard about that being typical Waffen SS but I think its might be a construction (maker's) variation...
                          SOrry a little out of focus but I think I'm still proving my point!
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                          Last edited by NickG; 03-21-2008, 11:07 PM.

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                            #28
                            top view

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                              #29
                              proof

                              Here's proof that this cap has ALWAYS been a KM cap!
                              Note typical Kriegsmarine "BAW" isuance stamp (bekleidungs amt Wilhelmshaven)
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                              Last edited by NickG; 03-21-2008, 11:01 PM.

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                                #30
                                Waffen SS

                                For comparison: here's my Waffen SS cap (whats left of it...)...still visible that same crown piping!
                                (with Belgian made cap eagle!!! which I've shown before)

                                So YES for sure Waffen SS such a crown detail, but it also appeared occasionally on KM Coastal caps! I agree with KM-Spain!
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                                Last edited by NickG; 03-21-2008, 11:05 PM.

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