Original Gebirgsjäger Erel

[NTZ]

[QUOTE=Lasse Kongo;2352776 Who knows, maybee employees at Erel factory brought some home, maybe they where stacked in some places. Maybee they where no caps only the ones from the German veterans, from who the most of the German WW2 items come from!

Lasse[/QUOTE]

Seeing that most were destroying anything that ties them to the German army and the Reich especially in the Soviet sector I doubt this very much.

[Schwarz]

Ich glaube , es ist zu viel fur die amerikaner, mein freund

[Lasse Kongo]

Seeing that most were destroying anything that ties them to the German army and the Reich especially in the Soviet sector I doubt this very much.

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As many times before, you are commenting on things you know nothing about. Do you have any idea how much III Reich militaria have been found in former Eastern Germany since the wall came down. How many "hotelbuys" which have been done by German Dealers.

You need to make more reasearch of backgrounds and reality before commenting on these things as you are so wrong here it is redicolous!

Lasse

[Lasse Kongo]

Ich glaube , es ist zu viel fur die amerikaner, mein freund

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Ja wie immer ist NTZ die "besserwisser" !!!!!!

Lasse

[Lasse Kongo]

but its o.k.

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Naturally 100% original, nothing to worry about!!

Lasse

[NTZ]

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Ja wie immer ist NTZ die "besserwisser" !!!!!!

Lasse

No but common sense goes a long way. Sure there were vet buys. I am sure many people hid away items from the war. But to think the German population would have actually went and picked up visor caps from storefronts and factories to save away is pure humor at its best. What German citizen would even have the need for such an item? You are sitting here trying to justify the numbers of mint condition of late war Erel’s and you are grasping for straws. First you say the reason so many exist is because they were looted from storefronts and factories. That explains the numbers and condition. When I pressed you as to who looted these since the US GI’s didn’t bring many back and according to you the Soviets did not want them you now say the German people did?

Tell me exactly again what your theory is to why we see so many late war Erel’s in comparison to all the Erel’s made prior to that and why they are always in mint condition again. You are all over the place with your explanation.

[NTZ]

Oh, and Lasse I think “Mr. Know it all” is in good company on these. Lets see to start Dave Kane, Stonmint, Gary Wilkins, etc. Mr. Wilkins did more research on this company than anyone has done. I think his opinion is worth a little something.

[Lasse Kongo]

No but common sense goes a long way. Sure there were vet buys. I am sure many people hid away items from the war. But to think the German population would have actually went and picked up visor caps from storefronts and factories to save away is pure humor at its best. What German citizen would even have the need for such an item? You are sitting here trying to justify the numbers of mint condition of late war Erel’s and you are grasping for straws. First you say the reason so many exist is because they were looted from storefronts and factories. That explains the numbers and condition. When I pressed you as to who looted these since the US GI’s didn’t bring many back and according to you the Soviets did not want them you now say the German people did?

Tell me exactly again what your theory is to why we see so many late war Erel’s in comparison to all the Erel’s made prior to that and why they are always in mint condition again. You are all over the place with your explanation.

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You just don´t listen do you?

I find it totally meaningless to discuss with you as you have decided that these caps did not exisit since Bill Shea are not selling them or no US GI´s brought them back. Your opinion is set so no idea to bring it further.

I don´t know where exactly they where remaining, probably at the same places as all other items found after the war. But that seems to be to complicated for you to take in.

I will never discuss this with you more, for me and for a lot of collectors on this end of the world they are anyhow all original and we have no problem with them. If you want to get us to think something else, you have to prove us wrong.

Lasse

[Lasse Kongo]

Oh, and Lasse I think “Mr. Know it all” is in good company on these. Lets see to start Dave Kane, Stonmint, Gary Wilkins, etc. Mr. Wilkins did more research on this company than anyone has done. I think his opinion is worth a little something.

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Everybodys opinions are worth something, it is a free world, anyhow in Europe.

I see you have fun with a authors book about uniforms and how much headgear is fake inside it. Maybee you should do the same poll with Wilkins book. I can start naming one, the sidecap on page 26 with a fake flatwire skull from Bill Shea. I don´t have any agenda about anyone here, but it shows you that nobody is perfect, and the persons you mention above are just as the rest of us just human beings making errors and wrong assumtions from time to time.

You like to make fun of people who are trying to write reference books or people having other opinion then you, no reasons are good enough for you to consider anything, you "know it all" allready.


I am eagerly waiting your book you are talking so much about!

Lasse

[NTZ]

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Everybodys opinions are worth something, it is a free world, anyhow in Europe.

I see you have fun with a authors book about uniforms and how much headgear is fake inside it. Maybee you should do the same poll with Wilkins book. I can start naming one, the sidecap on page 26 with a fake flatwire skull from Bill Shea. I don´t have any agenda about anyone here, but it shows you that nobody is perfect, and the persons you mention above are just as the rest of us just human beings making errors and wrong assumtions from time to time.

You like to make fun of people who are trying to write reference books or people having other opinion then you, no reasons are good enough for you to consider anything, you "know it all" allready.


I am eagerly waiting your book you are talking so much about!

Lasse

Lasse I do keep an open mind. Once I see one of these come directly from a German vet’s estate I will believe or one brought back directly from a US vet who seen action, not some occupation troops who was never in the war. First off we need to define what we are talking about here. The cap that started this thread IS NOT THE TYPE I AM TALKING ABOUT. It is all the crazy different rollover sweatband ones out there. Now as for proof with all of them floating around someone must surely have one direct from the vet or his family. I know that this might be past yours ability to believe but I have actually went out of my way over the last 5 or 6 years to try and prove these did exist. I have conclusively proven the late war Pekuro & Schellenberg via provenance but not the Erel. Funny the number of Erel’s out number the other two makers 10 to 1. Anyone can believe what ever they want but I am far from alone on this.

[NTZ]

your[/COLOR] book you are talking so much about!

Lasse

Oh, one more thing. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. The late war Erel is not even mentioned in my book. If I can not prove something conclusively it did not go into the book.

[Lasse Kongo]

Lasse I do keep an open mind. Once I see one of these come directly from a German vet’s estate I will believe or one brought back directly from a US vet who seen action, not some occupation troops who was never in the war. First off we need to define what we are talking about here. The cap that started this thread IS NOT THE TYPE I AM TALKING ABOUT. It is all the crazy different rollover sweatband ones out there. Now as for proof with all of them floating around someone must surely have one direct from the vet or his family. I know that this might be past yours ability to believe but I have actually went out of my way over the last 5 or 6 years to try and prove these did exist. I have conclusively proven the late war Pekuro & Schellenberg via provenance but not the Erel. Funny the number of Erel’s out number the other two makers 10 to 1. Anyone can believe what ever they want but I am far from alone on this.

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I don´t know if I have a language problem here.

"Although this type I am much more acceptable of" This is what you wrote in your first post, for me that means you are not sure the cap in this thread is original, it is much more acceptable of, but not definatly a original to you. Did I missunderstand you or?

I am naturally taking about this cap in the thread not some other diffuse latewar caps you now are mentioning.

Lasse

[NTZ]

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I don´t know if I have a language problem here.

"Although this type I am much more acceptable of" This is what you wrote in your first post, for me that means you are not sure the cap in this thread is original, it is much more acceptable of, but not definatly a original to you. Did I missunderstand you or?

I am naturally taking about this cap in the thread not some other diffuse latewar caps you now are mentioning.

Lasse

Yes there was a breakdown here. By that I meant that I am pretty confident these are the real deal. Obviously I can’t be 1,000% sure but they follow the progression of Erel materials and construction.

The thread kind of got side tracked on “late war Erel’s”. The ones Stonemint and I are talking about are the multitude of visors that have the unmarked shields, all Extras, the late war yellow lining and come in a multitude of different sweatbands. All the rollover type. Take a look through Weitze or Winklers site and you will see what ones we were talking about.

[Lasse Kongo]

Yes there was a breakdown here. By that I meant that I am pretty confident these are the real deal. Obviously I can’t be 1,000% sure but they follow the progression of Erel materials and construction.

The thread kind of got side tracked on “late war Erel’s”. The ones Stonemint and I are talking about are the multitude of visors that have the unmarked shields, all Extras, the late war yellow lining and come in a multitude of different sweatbands. All the rollover type. Take a look through Weitze or Winklers site and you will see what ones we were talking about.

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Does that mean that on the caps you say they are original you are also not 1000% sure?

As you are considered to be a authority in this field and as you are writing a book on the subject I can just advise you to be more clear as people specially those who do not have English as their first language will missunderstand you .

I advice you to start a new thread about the sort of Erel you mean are not a original one, I feel many may be consused at the moment. Looking at the sites you suggested, I am not even sure some of the caps called to be late war Erels by these dealers ever where produced by Erel at all......or from parts of original Erel caps as some suggested.

Lasse

[NTZ]

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Does that mean that on the caps you say they are original you are also not 1000% sure?

As you are considered to be a authority in this field and as you are writing a book on the subject I can just advise you to be more clear as people specially those who do not have English as their first language will missunderstand you .

I advice you to start a new thread about the sort of Erel you mean are not a original one, I feel many may be consused at the moment. Looking at the sites you suggested, I am not even sure some of the caps called to be late war Erels by these dealers ever where produced by Erel at all......or from parts of original Erel caps as some suggested.

Lasse

I will and I agree this one got clouded up. As for being 1000% sure can any of us? Unless we went back in time to watch them make it nothing is 100%, just 99.9999999999%