Dak M41

[milcollector]

if it is 100% genuine then $5000 is good buying.

However I dont think it is 100% genuine. I would not buy it.

[NZMark]

I would shy away from this one.
I don't like some important points in the manufacturing detail, and the overall impression just gives me bad vibes as well. (Can anyone supply a series of good photos of an m40 Brandt?) Save your coin for an item that will not make your gut squirm in years to come with nagging doubts.
$5000...
Regards,
Mark.
PS - It is in fact a 40 pattern, not 41.

[MilitaryCollect]

Dak M41

Hello,

I agree - pass. Eagle appears to have come off from another cap & reapplied, grommets look wierd, soutache appears to have been post war applied (note how the bill on the wearer's left side appears 'pryed') & its thread is not the same color as the soutache (always on Brandt caps) AND both the stamp & the red interior cloth material are non-standard for a "Hans Brandt".

An original Brandt side cap is depicted below. The red lining material & weave on that manufacturer's caps are rather uniform. AND here's a link to another Brandt side cap's interior:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H78555.html

I believe the base cap is the latest generation of repro (quite convincing) but the particular features as discussed in this thread are not so convincing.

Christopher

[Mike Davis]

$5000 USD would be a very good buy for an original with this (or perhaps any other) branch colour....

[billbert]

Quite possibly they made them BUT I dont recall ever seeing a Hans Brandt tropical cap that was not an overseas (flat) style cap...Billbert

[Mark Gibson]

This one doesn't really do anything for me either. I can't say anymore than what has already been said but I'll say one thing, IMO it just isn't an original.

Mark

[MilitaryCollect]

Dak M41

Howdy Gents,

The usual manufacturers of the M-41 tropical cap are:

Carl Halfar; Lago; Clemens Wagner; Robert Lubstein; etc., but I haven't seen a "Hans Brandt" model. My photo below was of a schiffen (overseas cap) for which Brandt was a common (but not sole) manufacturer.

Just consulted the books (incl. the "kurtz" book) and still no Hans Brandt made M-41's. Any thoughts on this aspect of the subject cap?

Below is another link to a "Brandt" overseas cap's interior (stamp and lining material). (Enlargement link appears).

http://www.relichunter.com/armytroppzgos.jpg

Christopher

[Mark Gibson]

Hi Christopher,
I do have thoughts on it; the cap is a fake, a well done fake but still a fake.

Mark

[MilitaryCollect]

Dak M41

Hi Mark,

I'm in total agreement with you. IMO, its a nice but not so nicely done fake. I believe the reasoning below flushes out the howz comes. I too saw this cap on that site and also had a BAD gut feeling about it.

But have you or anyone ever heard of a "Hans Brandt" M-41 cap? I have not, but am quite curious to know what you and the other DAK'ies think. I've just perused the internet looking for a Brandt M-41 and came up empty handed.

Christopher

[Mike Dalton]

Oh well, glad I didn't buy the thing. Thanks to all for your qualified opinions and sharing of info. I would hope that Oakleaf Militaria(if they are the seller) would have a reasonable return policy based on the 'sane' discussion here.

[90th Light]

Howdy Gents,

The usual manufacturers of the M-41 tropical cap are:

Carl Halfar; Lago; Clemens Wagner; Robert Lubstein; etc., but I haven't seen a "Hans Brandt" model. My photo below was of a schiffen (overseas cap) for which Brandt was a common (but not sole) manufacturer.

Just consulted the books (incl. the "kurtz" book) and still no Hans Brandt made M-41's. Any thoughts on this aspect of the subject cap?

Below is another link to a "Brandt" overseas cap's interior (stamp and lining material). (Enlargement link appears).

http://www.relichunter.com/armytroppzgos.jpg

Christopher

Hello Christopher, I do not think you will find any tropical billed M40/41's made by "Clemens Wagner"

There are some great fake billed M40's out there marked to that maker including original side-caps which have been post-war modified with the addition of a bill but to date I have never ever seen an original.

Clemens Wagner was certainly a prolific manufacturer of tropical side-caps but not billed caps. If however you do have unquestionable original then please post some images so we can all learn.

With respect, Chris

[Tim O'Keefe]

H Christopher

Good question...Agree with Chris, Wagner did not make m41 (to my knowledge), not sure on Brandt ?
Jose Figueroa's work Tropical Headgear vol II, page #132 displays a Brandt made tropical KM billed cap similar to Herr m41. Makers stamp is similar to Brandt OS cap, not like cap in this thread...

Perhaps some more of the seasoned DAK collectors can tell us if Brandt did make m41 ?
Also would add Johann Vogl to the list of tropical m40 makers too...

regards
Tim

[Beersheba4thLH]

Since I've only seen photographs of original M41's, I appreciate eveyone who responded to this thread and the information you have shared.

[MilitaryCollect]

Hello Christopher, I do not think you will find any tropical billed M40/41's made by "Clemens Wagner"

There are some great fake billed M40's out there marked to that maker including original side-caps which have been post-war modified with the addition of a bill but to date I have never ever seen an original.

Clemens Wagner was certainly a prolific manufacturer of tropical side-caps but not billed caps. If however you do have unquestionable original then please post some images so we can all learn.

With respect, Chris

Hello,

Thank you for the help. I looked that the Schiffer book's photos of maker's stamps - not necessarily M-41's - I made that conclusion erroneously.

Regards,

Christopher