Zillmann's visors

[enorepap]

At this point, it can be said that the characteristics of Zillmann's production and logos were very varied and for me it is still very difficult to orient myself. From a historical point of view, it is known that the Company was founded in 1898.

This is Otto Zillmann in 1932, so no doubt about his existence and his address in Markt 22:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=301
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=105
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=334

In 1961 there was a Wilhelm Zillmann in the business of hute, mutzen and pelze, but in Rossmarkt 9 (corner of Jaegersbrunnen):

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=341
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/w/index....djvu&page=131

The same for 1974. At the moment I can not go further.

[jules61]

SS Visor.

An other Otto Zillermann. . . .!
Original or Fake one. . . .?
Thanks!
Gian.
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[jules61]

Insigna looks fake.....!

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[jules61]

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[jules61]

One more detailed pic of the Logo " Otto Zillermann ". . . . !

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[stonemint]

Sorry, but that is your "textbook" Latvian SS fake--no original parts at all.

[ivbaust]

Another fake?

[wilhelm Saris]

Another fake?

I doubt the name to be correct with this wartime cap. The cap is questionable, the lining should be golden-yellow.; the sweatband lighter brown.

It should have an RZM-tag included as far as known. It is anyway described in the RZM-periodical nr. 8 from May 31, 1941
(die vorgeschriebene Erkennungsmarke der RZM ist unter dem Schweissleder auf der linken Seite des Randstreifens anzubringen).
Zillmann was a private company, which had the RZM-permission A2/268.

Until July 18, 1936 the name was as Otto Zillmann, but after then it was as Otto & Wilhelm.
So, don't you think Wilhelm would have wanted his name included?

[ivbaust]

I doubt the name to be correct with this wartime cap. The cap is questionable, the lining should be golden-yellow.; the sweatband lighter brown.

It should have an RZM-tag included as far as known. It is anyway described in the RZM-periodical nr. 8 from May 31, 1941
(die vorgeschriebene Erkennungsmarke der RZM ist unter dem Schweissleder auf der linken Seite des Randstreifens anzubringen).
Zillmann was a private company, which had the RZM-permission A2/268.

Until July 18, 1936 the name was as Otto Zillmann, but after then it was as Otto & Wilhelm.
So, don't you think Wilhelm would have wanted his name included?

Thank you, Wim, especially for the information about the maker I’m not too familiar with NSKK visors, as they are rarely seen. I had this one in my hand and was not sure about the question legit or fake? And I didn’t know about the company at all. I was expecting an RZM tag, too. But it hasn’t.