Panzer EM overseas cap, Opinions please.

[mads]

Hi Guys.
I have here in my possesion a Panzer EM overseas cap belonging to a friend of mine.
He wants me to check it out for him, and I find this one highly suspicious.
There is a sweatband around the entire cap+ the soutache is fastened wrong.
Still would like to hear your opinions though.
Thank you

Mads

[mads]

front

[mads]

soutache fastening:

[mads]

side view:

[Perry Floyd]

I've never seen a EM Panzer feldmutz with a interior like that. The soutache should be tucked in the cap at the bottom. Some were field applied but this one was machine stitched..

[mads]

Yes, just the same as I thought.
Thank you very much Perry.

Mads

[GJR100]

Hi Mads,

Although this thread doesn't have a high Edelweiss-percentage, I'd like to comment too.

It should not be possible to pull the front part so far back, as there should be two loops securing it.

I've taken a close-up of my Panzer Schiffschen (still in my collection and can't part from it, sorry, Wade ) showing what I mean.



The sweatband an sich is IMO not a reason to mark this cap as a fake. The other points are ...

Bart

[keifer kahn]

GJR100,
Sorry but,
I wouldnt say the lack of securing loops for the front panel indicates fake.
Most originals have it perhaps but many originals dont.

Apart from other examples I know of ,check out the headgear section for heer at the collectors guild.
There are 3 overseas caps including one panzer overseas cap without soutache that dont have the securing loops.
Peter Lukacs(ww2 miitaria) has a panzer side cap without the securing loops as well for sale.

Those caps look fine too me.

Its a bit of a sweeping comment to indicate this point as indicative of fake just because you own one with the securing loops.

Both exist and its just down to individual maker.


regards keifer

[Perry Floyd]

I wouldn't be concerned with the lack of securing loops, many don't have this..
The design was actually made so you could pull it down in cold weather if need be, meaning the M34 design. The one I had years ago didn't have these loops..
I'm not a collector in this area,..just from my encounters with M34 Panzer caps I've never run across one with a interior and soutache like yours..

[atcase]

Hi All,
the cap eagle looks blue in the first photo??, and due to the green roundle may be the insignia has been added (hence no loops),
Just a thought

Ashley

[Perry Floyd]

The green backed cockade is fine as well..

[GJR100]

Hi Keifer ,

If you take a good look at the caps you pointed out, one thing seems clear. The ones with a Soutache (early ones) do have the loops, the one without doesn't. Also look at period pictures. The loops were meant to keep the front up while the sides were pulled over the ears. As the posted cap has a Soutache IMO the loops should be there, not mearly because I own 'one' cap that does .... I'm not saying this is a fact to consider a cap fake, just for the early ones to keep in mind.

Bart

[Perry Floyd]

The securing loops actually hinder it from being pulled over the ears. That's the reason the sides have a slope.

[mads]

Hi and thanks for your opinions guys.
I have studied the cap more and found out that the soutache actually goes in and under the sweatband on one of the sides.
This cap also lacks the ventilation grommets, is this normal?
I have an infanterie officers side cap, this one has ventilatiojn grommets, hand sewn soutache which goes in just over the lower seam and is fastened behind the fold.
It also has a sweatband, but only at the front.
Anyway, I don`t like the cap and will advise my friend to return it.

Mads

[Perry Floyd]

It should have vent grommets..