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    RKT Visor

    This is on Johnston's site right now. It is allegedly the cased visor belonging to RKT Sachenbacher, who won the RK in 1941 and was killed at Cherkassy. I would buy it, but they can't give any provenance, and I was wondering if anyone here had any pix of this guy wearing this visor.

    Here is the visor:
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    Hat is minty. Maker is obscure--E. Schlutter of Gottingen (who are still in business today):
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      Sachenbacher was a Rittmeister, but the piping on this hat looks red:
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        In the middle pic he is definately wearing cavalry, although not this visor:
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          Hoffmann portrait:
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            Award of the RK:
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              Chris, I'd be reluctant to purchase the cap PERIOD!!

              Maybe it should be discussed as opposed to supposed provenance
              Regards,
              Dave

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                Death notice--I just noticed that he was a commander of a Pz Abteilung, but the piping still looks red to me (SP battalion?)

                One of the helmet guys on the forum has his helmet, which has his name, but this hat doesn't have anything reflecting ownership. Johnston apparently picked up everything from his estate, but you think there would be a pic out there of him wearing this hat, and I need rock-solid provenance (or that Johnston would get a pic of everything at the scene of the acquisition). Anyone else have any info on him?
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                  Dave, I agree--I can't vouch for the hat, never having seen this maker before. They wouldn't send me under the hood shots, as they didn't want to "affect the integrity of the sweatband." It could very well be a re-build, given the shape....
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                    Originally posted by stonemint View Post
                    Dave, I agree--I can't vouch for the hat, never having seen this maker before. They wouldn't send me under the hood shots, as they didn't want to "affect the integrity of the sweatband." It could very well be a re-build, given the shape....

                    Exactly...look closely at the pleats!


                    Awarded in Dec. '41 as a Capt. in Radf. Schwd. 219

                    Maybe the orig. photos show copper brown piping?
                    Regards,
                    Dave

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                      #11
                      I see this many times....people selling visors or helmets and saying that it came from a `famous German hero`or a `very well known German officer`

                      Last year,I was offered a visor that,the seller told me,came from Erhard Milch,the famous German General Field Marshall of the Luftwaffe....

                      I´m sorry to say,but I don´t believe all these stories,unless I buy the visor or helmet from the veteran himself ! And there aren´t many left these days....

                      A friend of mine,he´s a German army awards collector ,bought an Iron cross 1st class last month that came from a so called `Famous Dutch ss man` he payed $2.500 for it !!!

                      The seller told him a nice story,about the son of the ss man who `gave`him the cross

                      There even is a person in Poland who paints names of well known German soldiers in the back of 100% good helmets !!!
                      Still finding out who he is and where he lives.......
                      offcourse,these helmets are sold for very high prices (and a nice story is for free)

                      Just to make some money....

                      Please,be aware guys!!!

                      Best regards,

                      Theo

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                        #12
                        As I mentioned to Stonemint there is something about this visor that bothers me. I just can't put my finger on it.

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                          I don't like this cap personally and I really doubt the story of this soldier owning this particular cap.

                          The cap as stated is a maker we have never seeen before. I don't like the newish looking grey liner. With the addition of the leather visor on this cap really turns me off.

                          I really think the pics tell a good story about why we should doubt this cap as being owned by him. Every cap in the pics have a nice high peak, and what looks like the same maker. And then we have the cap in question. Low peak, bullion insignia, a whole different look then what his pics show. To me this is a huge red flag, IMO

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                            Hallo Stone

                            1. With regard to Sachenbacher:
                            He really did an outstanding performance during the early stage of the Balkan campaign: " On 11.4.1941 the Radf.Schw.219 formed an ad-hoc motorized group (a platoon) to pursue the enemy south from Varazdin. The group was led by Rittm.Sachenbacher and a Leutnant. They reached an hill overhanging the Bednja valley and saw that the roads were littered with strong enemy forces. A civilian told Sachenbacher that there were many Jugo officers in a near house. Immediately the group drove to the house and captured a Jugo divisional headquarter. The divisional commander, the artillery commander and twelve officers were totally surprised. Sachenbacher wanted the general to order his division to march to the Varazdin barracks and surrender. But when the Jugo general saw he was confronted only by a small group of german soldiers he tried to call for reinforcement. So Sachenbacher decided to bring the enemy officers back to the german lines. While Sachenbacher with a few men escorted back the prisoners, the rest of the group under the Leutnant approached the enemy leading column and told the commanding Major that he had to surrender because his divisional commander had already been captured. After some discussion and hesitation, the Major ordered his six hundred men to leave their weapons and surrender." This is the story...

                            2. with regard to the visor:
                            considering that, if it is real, it came from a very obscure manufacturer, I think that the question is: Is there a connection between Sachenbacher and the town of Gottingen? Unfortunately I don't have at present the answer

                            best regards. enorepap
                            Last edited by enorepap; 08-24-2007, 12:14 PM.

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                              Originally posted by Dave Kane View Post
                              Chris, I'd be reluctant to purchase the cap PERIOD!!

                              Maybe it should be discussed as opposed to supposed provenance
                              Right again, Dave! The cap is questionable, inside and out, and the
                              whole 'provenance' surrounding it just adds to the suspicion.

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