N & T Global Trading--Post Yours!

[stonemint]

That Diplo has to be the most over-padded heavyweight I have seen:

[Leroy]

Ian, thanks for posting these. The SS are all bad, as is the LW General, and the white-top Diplo. Unfortunately, these are going to be (or attempted to be) re-sold as the real thing.

Stonemint - You didn't mention some of the other caps shown in the photos recently posted, so does that mean that those others, to you, may be real? I never bought from N&T, but I recall others (including, I believe, John Hodgin) mentioning on this Forum that they also sold perfectly good stuff.

Probably a waste to post this, but it would be a shame for anyone to take away from this thread the idea that just because a piece came from N&T, it had to be automatically bad.

[Ian Hulley]

Good evening Leroy, I posted all that I have on file which I feel 99.99% certain were N&T offerings. I collected the images to study and use as a baseline for IF I ever ended up in the situation where I needed to identify these exotica.

As I recall almost all of the caps on the site were top-end and also as has been said he basically offered to make anything you asked for It's equivalent nowadays would be Oakleaf Militaria ... some better versed with caps than myself have speculated that there's more than a tiny bit of N&T in Oakleaf.

As I'm sure you realise YOU have to be empowered by your OWN knowledge and not rely on those who would steal the breath from your lungs while smiling to your face.

Ian

[Leroy]

As I'm sure you realise YOU have to be empowered by your OWN knowledge and not rely on those who would steal the breath from your lungs while smiling to your face.

Ian

And this is why I didn't buy from N&T.

I'm just thinking that if even ONE of the caps pictured is real, and is in someone's collection today, it would be a sad thing to "tar and feather" it along with the others.

[stonemint]

Leroy--

No, not all the caps are fakes--the Bergbau, Post, LW Fliegerhorstfeuerwehr, and early Customs visors that Ian posted appear legit.
As I do not collect Schiffchens and M-43's, I won't speak to those.

However, most of the high-end visors are bogus heavyweight fakes.


Gents, keep in mind, every hat stands on its own, and has nothing to do with the person that sold/purchased/ or owned it....

[stonemint]

BTW, if you google "N & T Global Trading" and go to images, a lot of his hats will pop up. Most are posted on the AHF site.

[Ian Hulley]

As cap experts do you feel the same hand is at work with Oakleaf's glamorous inventory as was at N&T ? To me there's the same 'How many rare Waffen-SS general's visors would you like sir ?' approach.

Ian

[pete]

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I had at some items which I know were/are good as they showed up around here after the fact, some embellished up to something else too! They might have been messed with and restored like two M36 Officers tunics I had (one was named to a Pohl from a Vienna tailor), or totally good like one item Bill Shea or Peter Whammond have ended up with now but still not all were bad. However some items which were clearly made yesterday and now easily identifiable to me, well that is a different story! I don't know what the guy actually knew or didn't know, but some of these items were clearly made yesterday that's what gets me thinking! What did he actually know...

1) SS M37 EM "SD" Tunic with a white collar liner piece and a period modified cream colored liner. Total Janke.

2) SS M43 Cap, with metal dish button. Total Janke.

3) SS "Crusher Visor", with green band, HEER!

4) SS Tropical side cap, Janke made yesterday.

5) SS Italian camo M43 cap...janke

6) SS Dot 44 M43 cap...janke

7) Well worn SS M42 Tunic.....NCO piping...Heer!

8) SS Fur cap, with fake SS BW stamp.

Lucky I did not go near the 12th SS Leather panzer wrap, or the 12th SS U Boat set with the Leather M43 cap, or the Bluish Brandenburg coveralls. I had also "traded" this guy towards the fake SS M43 cap and a stripped SS Officers tunic (which ive also seen after on here restored) a HEER M36 officers tunic with silver close combat badge, which was held in place by some kind of elastic through holes drilled through the bade, and a visor cap. The Tunic was Infantry and numbered to the 9th regiment and had an EK ribbon and an eastern front ribbon which I think was added under the EK ribbon. He had said that the Cap was bad because the visor cord was a replacement, totally crap but i wanted the SS Tunic, that HEER uniform came back with a war veteran! Apart from what i've obviously lost, He even has items belonging to people still, including 2 from me, if i recall an SS Fez and a British Leather flying cap from WW1.


Pete

[pete]

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Honestly when you are uneducated you are totally open!...........

I would absolutely love to see photos of the 12th SS Leather "recce" wrapper ensemble and the 12th SS U boat set, with the leather hat with the bullion insignia! Or the Nordland Tunic M40, maybe the Brandenburg coveralls and black hat too!



http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5444

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5447 (the red one is mine)

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4787
("Period replaced creme liner and neck protector)

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4791


http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4800

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4801

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4802 (write me if you have it!)

http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPa...forms/u071.htm (Hoping to get this back some day!)

[Graham G]

wow, even the dot44 is obvious Janke.

[pete]

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So who knows where he is?



Pete

[stonemint]

I went after this guy on GDC along with Willi Schumacher after Graetz sold me a bogus tunic and I when I returned it he threw a hissy fit .I noticed all his tunics bore similar insignias, I Tried to warn people but the BIG names in the field of SS collecting as well as John Casino and Gottlieb came at me like I was dirt and muddying their waters...after all the forums were'nt about exposing these crooks... or at least they were'nt supposed to be.
I was threatened with slander and legal actions and he had a halo placed upon his head and was made a forum sponser...my first lesson in how socializing with the more famous in the hobby was going to go in the future....and this kind of thing never stops there are a few others as bad as him selling stuff out there and people know who they are but keep quiet.I just let people learn by losing money and keep out of it now.

Does anyone else remember who else was defending these POS's on the GDC back in the day? All those threads were lost when they switched over to that Groupee account (appropriately named).

[stonemint]

From Norbert to Charlie (Snyder)--the cycle never ends:

[stonemint]

Of course, it is a textbook heavyweight--note that Leaning Tower of Pisa forward lean:

[stonemint]

& what good would a visor be without that all-critical wax certification from Hans E. Flieger of Stadtlohn :