How about these for poor efforts

[sturmbannfuhrer]

Here we have a claimed Clemens Wagner that has the most amazingly mis positioned sweatshield I have ever seen, not bad for one of the top four cap makers. I have a sneaking feeling all is not well.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

Additionally, here we have an Erel that is not well at all. Nick has seen these in the past as the 1960's fakes, take note of what these look like inside, a PRIVAT klasse, we don't think so.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

And a closer pic of the shield

[NTZ]

I think the CW might be ok. I think I have seen that type of sheild before but I am not 100% sure.

[stonemint]

Stubaf--the logo on the CW looks fine--its just that the sweatdiamond looks plastic--can't tell from the pix.

The Erel (i'm 99% sure) is one of the legendary Roger Steele of Hollywood Military Hobbys fakes. If I recall right, he also sold them with a ruby-red silk lining with this oversized logo. I believe he is responbible for the Erel "Diplomat" Class as well.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

Excellent, the CW at the top is an SS Panzer. The erel is a shocker.

[NTZ]

Excellent, the CW at the top is an SS Panzer. The erel is a shocker.

Seeing what it is the SS pz would still need a good look-see. One shot is not much to go on but it looks ok from that shot.