SS VT or WSS Visorcap

[Lasse Kongo]

Hello,

I noticed this cap of a site alas sold now...................

Do other members have such caps to share pictures of them?

What period is this cap from is this a pre war VT cap or a later Waffen-SS cap?

And when did these caps stop having the proper ss lining in them

Lasse.

[Bob Curuthers]

Lasse,

To answer your questions somewhat, I have never seen this type of lining in a waffen-ss or VT cap that I can remember, the exterior style of cap looks later rather than earlier IMO so the early lining is a mystery to me.

Too be honest, I have my doubts this cap is period manufactured, there are no doubt others here with more expertise than I, so I await their council.

Sorry if my comments are somewhat negative It is just how I see it.

sincerely,
Bob

[Bob Coleman]

The Majority Of Prewar SS-VT And TKV Gray Visor Caps Had The Same Markings As The Black Visor. I Would Expect This Hat To Also Have The R Z M & S S Black Stamp On The Visor. There Was A Similar Hat Posted A Couple Of Months Ago With Black Runes In The Lining.

[Bob Curuthers]

Thank you Bob for your council, I guess my doubts with this cap relate to these factors,

1) A very high front which I associate more with wartime NCO's Cap rather than the more teller form SS-VT/SS-TV type caps.

2) This visor has also a very deep black band again I have not seen this on the examples I have handled that I can remember, I have not handled them all by any means and the mind gets forgetful with age. Have you seen such on the pre war visors?

3) the stitching and the crumpled lining I always associate with frankenstein caps, Again I could be wrong and await further education from forum members.

4) Also As you have mentioned above as well normaly you have the ink SS RZM proof mark on the underside of the visor which on this cap is certanally not there or looks it has ever been marked.

I would love to see images of such caps you mentioned in your above post if anyone is willing to share them and post them.

Again Bob thanks

Sincerely,
Bob

[Bob Coleman]

Bob-
In My First Post, I Was Responding Toyour Question Regqrding The Runes In The Top Of The Hat. Without The Visor Stamping, I Would Have Some Concerns For This Cap. The Teller Shape Began To Be Phased Out By 1936 For The Jauntier Saddle Shaped Visor Cap. The Material For The Sweatband Would Concern Me As I Would Not Expect To Find This Type Of Material Used In A Prewar R Z M Hat. I Have Seen It Used In Early Kepis However. I Would Also Expect To Find A R Z M Label. The Concept Of Frankenstein Cap May Be A Reality In The Case Of This Hat. There Are Enough Warning Signs On This Cap To Proceed With Caution

[mjfur]

Wow! Lasse Kongo's first post and he goes big with the SS.

[quote=Lasse Kongo;1905925]Hello,

I noticed this cap of a site alas sold now...................

Do other members have such caps to share pictures of them?

What period is this cap from is this a pre war VT cap or a later Waffen-SS cap?

And when did these caps stop having the proper ss lining in them

Lasse.


He seems to have no idea what period the cap is from, but then asks when they stopped using the proper liner.

Is someone fishing?

Regards,
Mike

[Lasse Kongo]

[QUOTE=mjfur;1907851]Wow! Lasse Kongo's first post and he goes big with the SS.

Hello,

I noticed this cap of a site alas sold now...................

Do other members have such caps to share pictures of them?

What period is this cap from is this a pre war VT cap or a later Waffen-SS cap?

And when did these caps stop having the proper ss lining in them

Lasse.


He seems to have no idea what period the cap is from, but then asks when they stopped using the proper liner.

Is someone fishing?

Regards,
Mike

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mjfur,
I only ask when they stop using the proper SS lining with runes like on the black caps like in pictures below, I have not seen a cap like this in my books.

And why is it a problem with my first post, I search forum and did not find infomation I was looking for so asked question about the cap.

other members,
Thank you for information, so caps like this exist yes? are they pre war only or did they continue wartime? what date did linings like this stop? and can these linings be found on caps with colour piping?

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002yk2.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001yu5.jpg

[Arran]

I have pics of a tellerform, 1939 dated VT cap with this lining, in unissued condition; it has the visor stamp as mentioned above. Unfortunately, I'm unable to re-size them at the moment, so if someone is willing to do that for me msg. me and they can be posted here. I disagree with Bob that this style of cap has to have the visor stamp, as there are plenty of specimens of the black Allg. caps without the stamp...

Cheers,
Arran.

[Bob Curuthers]

We all start somewhere, I am sorry Mike but regardless of how many post's people have is this not a discusion forum?

There are many here and other forums that lurk and never take the first step in actually getting involved in forums in case they look silly in the eyes of the big Guns and it is normally those people who end up getting burnt because they never asked the questions.

I can assure you I have asked many silly questions in the past and no doubt will ask many many more in the future.



Now may I ask you what is your slant (opinion) on the cap posted above

sincerely
Bob

PS Bob,Thanks for the further infomation.

PPS I maybe wrong Lassie, but I do not IMO think you would find this type of lining in coloured piped caps, lets wait and hear what our learned freinds have to say?

[solo]

Here are the photos Arran asked to resize for posting.
I post for him

[solo]

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