Early Lubstein Logos--Post Any You Have!

[stonemint]

As the resident logo connoiseur of the forum, I am always looking for early examples of TR maker logos. This is a Lubstein from 1923--extremely spartan, compared to what they would be doing 13 years later (note the Moabit address, and only 4 years after WWI they were already advertising themselves as Berlin's Largest Cap Mfr.) The company began in 1912--does anyone else have any early logos?

[Arran]

Here's a logo from an early shako...very "Hebrew"!

[stonemint]

Arran--great post! What is unusual is that Romer was a separte Tschako mfr during the TR--he must have been affiliated with Lubstein in the early days.
The Star of David is interesting as well--I believe Gary Wilkins told me that Lubstein took over from a Jewish haberdasher--but I'll have to follow up on that.

[stonemint]

From the beginning to the end--this is the last known Erel logo (probably 1949-50):

[RUHL13]

Here is a pre war Luft Signals.
Regards,
Gary

[Gary Wilkins]

Founding Date:

I have documentation from the Bundespatentamt showing every logo mark that Lubstein officially submitted, along with the dates the approvals were granted. He had several versions of the diamond logo - the most well known EREL-Sonderklasse version dating to 1935. Several for Tschakos, and another for Fiber Helmets. He held several DRGMS, held a DRP (patent) on the "air cushion insert" set up both in German, and in English (I have a copy of the Royal Patent Office patent held by Lubstein, dated to 1938, for the same insert. The diagrams are the exact same form used with the original German patent. The English patent translation also follows the German original very closely).

According to Lubstein himself (I have a copy of the typed curriculum vitae that he wrote, in 1946) he founded the company out of his apartment in Berlin, in 1902.

[Gary Wilkins]

Jewish Predecessor

The facts about the Jewish connection:

Many people seem to think Lubstein was secretely Jewish. The fact is, the name can be either Jew, or Gentile. Lubstein was Gentile, in practice at least, as are the remaining family members today (Lubstein's granddaughter lives somewhere on the U.S. west coast, while his Grandson opted not to go Stateside and remains to this day in Berlin.
During the Reich period, the 50/50 aspect of the name caused Lubstein's business enemies to try and attack him by insinuating he was Jewish. Nothing ever stuck, however, as there was no proof - else it is unlikely even Lubstein would have been "big" enough to be safe.

The Jewish predecessor connection Stonemint indicated: in early 1938 or thereabouts Lubstein needed some shipping boxes in a hurry and didn't have enough in stock. He visited the furrier firm of Stein & Hehl, resident at Heinrich-Roller Strasse, to see if he could secure some from them. The company owners of this firm WERE indeed Jewish - and very interested in splitting the Fatherland; they asked if he might have some interest in the building (this being Heinrich-Roller Strasse 15) - he was not, at that time. Later, however, he changed his mind and did indeed purchase the building, moving in in 1939, while the Stein & Hehl families emigrated to the USA, wisely, it seems.

[stonemint]

Gary--glad to see you posting here again! I can never get enough info on Lubstein--I swear, the topic merits its own book--thanks for the tidbits!

BTW, Gary is the author of the bible on TR hatmakers--you can find sample pages here (and get an autographed copy as well!):

www.germancaps.com

Gary, we are all eagerly awaiting that addendum

[Peter J.]

In addition to what's been posted here and seen in Gary's excellent book, here an early logo with reversed colours. Comments are greatly appreciated

KR
Peter

[sturmbannfuhrer]

I am a big fan of Gary Wilkins and have one of his personally signed book plate copies, Number 17, if I can remember without getting the book out, which I am immensely proud to own.

Gary, can you put the "ideal" and "triumph" klasse's to bed yet with the extra info you have gathered. Do Lubstein's submitted logo's include them.

All the best GW and I've got my cash ready for the addendum.

best regards JT Rea

[Ernst-H]

to add to this thread my only two Robert Lubstein logo's

First is a 1937 dated Schutzpolizei Tschako

[Ernst-H]

Second is the cloth label from my Polizei Panzer sturzhelm.
These Pol Panzer crashhelmets were produced from 1938 untill 1942