Engineer NCO Cap

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[Kreager]

Kreager, which grease do you mean? VI roman number on right side of lining?

Just wanted to see if the red grease mark (VI) was on the right side of the cap. That's a pekuro trait.

[NTZ]

The pasteboard seems right too; maybe this was just a few repairs. Can you see or tell what the peak stiffener is made of?

[stevezz1]

Close up of junction of visor and sweatband

I am still learning but this cap looks solid, original and unmessed with to me.....
Post #17 just shows normal wear, you can see where the thread has snapped or worn through.
The only thing i find odd is the black sweat band - Never seen one before....

Steve.

[NTZ]

Well I can say that the Jon Seltz markings are a bit odd to find on a Pekuro cap. I thought it could have been the markings from the company that made the sweatband but these are a cap makers marks. There is some real odd stitching in post #10. In post #21 the lining stitching is all over the place and not very neatly done. In post #23 you can see holes in the lining where other stitching once was and in all the shots the trademark Pekuro ribbing looks to have been stretched. Those are my observations.

[stevezz1]

Well I can say that the Jon Seltz markings are a bit odd to find on a Pekuro cap. I thought it could have been the markings from the company that made the sweatband but these are a cap makers marks. There is some real odd stitching in post #10. In post #21 the lining stitching is all over the place and not very neatly done. In post #23 you can see holes in the lining where other stitching once was and in all the shots the trademark Pekuro ribbing looks to have been stretched. Those are my observations.

Hi Nick.......
I bow to your superior knowledge, i allways seem to be sticking my neck out and getting my head chopped off.........
Oh well, live and learn.......
Steve.

[NTZ]

Hi Nick.......
I bow to your superior knowledge, i allways seem to be sticking my neck out and getting my head chopped off.........
Oh well, live and learn.......
Steve.

Steve it is not superior knowledge, we are an equal plane there. It is the eagle eye.

[SPQR]

Steve, sweatband colour is not black but dark grey.
Kreager, I've never seen VI mark on Peküro like you said it. Is it really a mark use by this maker on his cap? What is but of this marking?
Nick, it is difficult to photograph stiffener under liner without cut thread.
But there is a stiffener which is not so 'hard' than other I have observed. It is more pliable or supple. I can't say in what material he was done because I don't arrive to see it. He has approximatively 3,5 cm wide when I touch it across doeskin. Nick, can you tell me more concerning Jon Seltz? Is he maker cap?
So, can you give me approximate value of the cap in this condition?
And, is someone has two metal eagles to sell for NCO Cap please?

[NTZ]

Stonemint might be able to add to this regarding Pekuro peak stiffeners since he collects Pekuro’s but here is what I have seen in them. On Pekuro’s the peak stiffeners are similar to the Schellenberg’s. They are a metal strip wrapped in hardened white cloth. Now I have seen them with a wicker backing behind them and without. A Pekuro should not be soft unless someone removed the stiffener.

[SPQR]

Where is Stonemint? We have not heared him since this thread was opened. Please Stonemint, need your help.
Nick I take pictures but it is very difficult with lining. It is the best I can do. Hope this talk you.

[SPQR]

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[Kreager]

Kreager, I've never seen VI mark on Peküro like you said it. Is it really a mark use by this maker on his cap? What is but of this marking?

Stonemint wrote up a thread about Pekuro characteristics a while back. It has some really good info about what to look for with a pekuro cap. But the grease mark on the right side, is a common characteristic of the pekuro caps. Not sure on the value of this cap, we do have to keep in mind that it has been tampered with though. If i were you I would try to get your money back from the seller, if that is an option.

Where is Stonemint?

[stonemint]

SPQR--sorry for the delay on this--I somehow overlooked this thread (which, in a way is a good thing--it means a lot of people are posting!).

It is an "early-war" Pekuro, but like a 55 year-old Scottsdale woman, she's had a "lot of work" done (as we say around here!).

What is odd is the stitching that is visible in foto #10 that is visible just above the piping--Nick and I are "stitch nazi's", and while this may be just loose (or sloppy) stitching, it is a red flag for me.

The second thing I do not like is the way the piping is joined ("butted") in foto #11--it is real sloppy, and is re-done.

While your hat has the correct "ribbing", the ribs are stretched flat. Further, there are extra (empty) holes in the lining. This liner was re-stitched.

The "VI" on the visor and in red greasepencil is correct--they are just size indicators to the cap maker.

It is hard to tell from the fotos whether the visor was re-stitched, but it is obviously loose. Further, (and I mock this theory all the time), but the outside is pristine, while the inside reflects heavy wear.

SPQR, there are just too many things that bother me about the hat--whether these "repairs" are wartime or post-1945 we probably will never know. My advice is to try and return it, or get a discount off the price--sorry.

[Billy The Kid]

Hi Guy's !

this is a nice Pekuro nco cap for sure, after The sweatband was removed or restaured in period or after the war.
good condition and I have no problem with this one....

Billy the Fake killer cap !