Peküro Gebirgsjäger visor good or bad?

[Chris_Werner]

If you need a quick opinion, and mind you it is just that, an opinion, I would pass on this one. With it's atypical features, it would be hard to sell in the future if you needed to. I would like to hear some more discussion on it though before anyone dismisses it outright as a repro.
Chris

[stonemint]

I am going to address this in more detail on my old "late-war Pekuro" thread. At first glance, I do believe the wreath has been replaced at sometime. The lack of cross-hatching on a visor does not bother me--I have seen (and have) plenty of Vulkanfiber visors w/o it--I don't believe a cross-hatch was essential to the Vulkanfiber manufacturing process--it's just that collectors in the 70's used this to differentiate between BW conversions--and most of those were plastic. Plastic and Vulcanfiber are 2 different materials, and you can tell the difference just by touching them.

Also, to differentiate Admin vs GJ, the easiest way to do it is that for admin, the green piping should be practically indistinct from the coloring of the band.
Anyway, here is the re-sewn wreath (it should only go thru the pasteboard, and not the lining, and look how crude the stitching is):

[NTZ]

I would also pass. The sweatband is not made from the same calfskin we are accustomed to seeing on period visors including Pekuro’s. The texture, color and thickness IMO is off. To address the visor I do not feel it is vulcanfiber. It looks to be the same plastic painted material found on this 60’s-70’s fake. Also note on the fake I posted has the Pekuro style sweatband. These were very common on early fakes. Maybe it is more of a gut than fact but I don’t like it.

[SgtB]

. . . The lack of cross-hatching on a visor does not bother me . . .I don't believe a cross-hatch was essential to the Vulkanfiber manufacturing process . . .

Thank-you, Stone. I'm afraid this has to be stated again and again until all collectors hear and understand it. Yes, while the vast majority of all military visors are cross-hatched, and I prefer to see this feature myself, the simple fact remains that many were not.

. . . the re-sewn wreath (it should only go thru the pasteboard, and not the lining, and look how crude the stitching is):

I have to disagree with you here. I have an Infantry Erel and an Artillery HPC with wreaths sewn on very similarly (although not quite as sloppily),
and I am sure it was done wartime. While this cap has many peculiar traits, I don't believe this one alone sways it in either direction, good or bad. I actually prefer seeing the wreath sewn only through the band material itself and not through the pasteboard at all. That's how my Erel Private General's was, and I always felt that was the mark of a top-notch tailor, not some sausage-fingered hack.

[NTZ]

Thank-you, Stone. I'm afraid this has to be stated again and again until all collectors hear and understand it. Yes, while the vast majority of all military visors are cross-hatched, and I prefer to see this feature myself, the simple fact remains that many were not.:

I agree with both of you that some visors lack or appear to lack crosshatching. Taking aside pressed paper and such I still believe these to be vulcanfiber. In addition I also believe they were crosshatched. Some visors just have a very light crosshatching or heavy paint and lacquer or some combination. I have seen a few hands on and if you held them at the right angle in the right light you could see some signs of the crosshatching. With that being said they had a certain look to them that this one does not. Unless the one posted here is a nicely done pressed paper visor I would not feel comfortable with it.

[stonemint]

Nick--I don't recall seeing other pix of #18--can you post more of them?

[NTZ]

Nick--I don't recall seeing other pix of #18--can you post more of them?

Sure it is a fake 60's-70's white Alg.

[NTZ]

Inside

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Under the hood

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under the hood 2

[NTZ]

You know the more I look at this cap it might be a pressed paper visor. Not the one I posted but the subject visor.

[stonemint]

Nick, that A-SS visor is an easy one-looker for a fake (at least on the inside) but I bet it fooled a lot of collectors in the 60s/70s/and 80s (oh, heck, it would still fool 99% of the people buying on e-bay today!)

Anyway, it does not share the common identifiers of the "late-war Pekuro", although it was a good try.

[stonemint]

Brian--I forgot to address your post with regards to the stitching issue.
I agree that stitching can and did go thru the pasteboard and lining on many visors. What I was referring to is that on these "late-war" Pekuros specifically, the stitching did not go thru the lining--at least based on the ones I have seen.

You are right, the ones that have the cockade sewn directly to the wool of the band only (and not thru the pasteboard) are the rarest of all, and had to be more time-consuming to manufacture. But what is even rarer than that is where the bullion is embroidered directly to the band (ie, it is not sewn to a backing and then sewn on.)--This process would have to be even more time-consuming, and had to cost an officer a pretty penny
(or Pfennig)!

Now that I think of it, who wants to start new threads: "Post Your Direct-Embroidered Insignia", and "Post Your Band-Only Sewn Insignia"!
Anybody got some?

[Dave Kane]

""You are right, the ones that have the cockade sewn directly to the wool of the band only (and not thru the pasteboard) are the rarest of all, and had to be more time-consuming to manufacture. But what is even rarer than that is where the bullion is embroidered directly to the band (ie, it is not sewn to a backing and then sewn on.)--This process would have to be even more time-consuming, and had to cost an officer a pretty penny
(or Pfennig)!""

Stone this assertion is just plain wrong and dangerous to post with such confidence! Caps were manufactured as 'plain janes' of certain 'levels' of quality and left the factory for RETAIL sans devices and (personalized) shapes.

Thereafter, the consumer could choose the level, quality and type of device for the cap. This included quite a variety of quality and type....all added at the 'shop' level. We have seen many examples of these little "findings" and so called in the clothing industry with price tags etc. attached.

Next, we must address the need or ability for an Officer (LATE WAR!) to buy the very expensive bullion devices and the added cost of having them applied by the tailor's seamstress......seems very unlikely!