WH Visor revisited...

[ScottW]

Hello all.I posted this bullion visor a while back with admitedly poor pics.I hope this set will come across better as I had a friend with a better cam do them.It's a salty and poorly stored visor,but from my limited knowledge(other than what I've studied here and other sites)I "presume"it's a straight up WW2 piece.Comes out of a freind's estate that he sold off,I got this and some nice though common medals,and a decent K98k.I have little in this,so if it's a dud,it won't hurt my feelings to hear so from the more knowlegeable.All parts pass a blacklight test as dark and murky,FWIW.Thanks for opinions and sorry for the link- http://community.webtv.net/scottsouth66/VisorHat

[Dave Kane]

Scott judging from the cap's material I'd say it's a later war, lower grade Schellenberg....that type of wool used was a moth magnet.

That said I always have a bit of trouble 'associating' bullion devices on later war, inexpensive caps as BULLION was very expensive.

The devices on the cap look ok but who knows when they were applied. Often we find bullion added to cover moth damage.

The cap is good though!

[ScottW]

Thanks Dave. You may note some of the stitching inside seemes to be intermitent around the device outlines,it appears moths may have did this as well,leaving the wreath"hanging" a bit loose over the lower farb pipeing,just a guess.The defined shadow of a (larger-than-aluminum) bullion adler is quite prominent(note pic) behind the current patch,indicateing it's period applied,unless it sat under bright light with a later applied adler patch,more conjecture,heh.There are,believe it or not,no actual holes in the piece,just the nips here and there,the cockade also has a good nip or two to match,and a tiny wing tip is gnawed on,if that means anything.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

Nice cap Scott. The Schellenberg wool type is well shown on a Panzer Grenadier Schellenberg I have on my site which is being sold on commission for my business partner. Take a look at it for comparison. As Dave said, the eskimo type wool is a bit of a moth treat. Have a look at all the pics for all views of the cap.

Site is www.militarycapbox.com

http://www.mrsite.co.uk/gallerypic.a...nbergpg1%2Ejpg

[Sonderkommando]

That has got to be the longest URL I have ever seen!

[sturmbannfuhrer]

That has got to be the longest URL I have ever seen!

Hi Brett, its the price you pay for having a relatively cash concious .com website

[ScottW]

Yes,you can definately see the one-off kind of "fat" wool composite between the two pieces.I just wish somebody had properly stored this one! I wonder how a professional conservetor would actually approach "grooming"those nips? I count maybe 16 or so nips throughout. Feel free to use a pic of my hat in your "what happens if a hat isn't properly stored" category on your site,heh.I myself have devised a novel approach,I found a soft plastic sieve bowl to mount the stirmmutze on for display,the fixed a perforated bag of cedar chips inside the bowl.Get away moths!!

[ScottW]

One quick question.I attempted to post this visor on the E-stand here(not the members only section) and it says that I can't post there.What is the process to sell there? Thanks,Scott Webb

[johnrtse]

Scott- You have to be an Association Member in order to post on the E-stand.

Also, I responded to your ad on the GB forum- I will take this cap if the first deal falls thru (Yankee John is my handle there).

[ScottW]

Thanks John,I resorted to that forum after the failure to apply it here.I'll keep you posted.

[BenVK]

I wonder how a professional conservetor would actually approach "grooming"those nips? I count maybe 16 or so nips throughout.

I'm not a proffesional by any means but the best method I've found is to carefully shave some wool off from areas that aren't seen like under the overhang, using a bic razor or similar. Do it very lightly and after a while you'll have a little pile of shavings that you can role between your fingers to create a ball of wool. Then, using fabric glue, apply a tiny ammount into a moth nip. Place the ball of wool on top and smooth it out to cover the hole. When the glue is totaly dry, use a soft toothbrush to brush way the loose wool and there you go.

[ScottW]

That sounds logical Ben.Of course I still manage to cut myself with Bics,so I stick to an electric,heh.Looks like our fellow member John may soon own it if he wishes,as I primarily collect guns and blades.I'll let him try that method.Most of the nips are under the rear overhang of the crown,you have to lift it to look,so not noticeable on display.The moths had a little mercy and stayed away from the front and most of the top.