SS schirmmutze, my only real ss hat !

[viking 57]

under the leather :

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin. The cap was worn on the inside and not on the outside so that's why it seems to be older inside than outside.

Oh......er.......right.

[Bobwirtz]

I'd prefer a drink at a different location. Is this his London residence? Looks just like his Paris flat...

[rzzzm]

the skull look like a copy to me..........the peak looks fine

[Paris Gun]

As a collector of repro/fake/counterfeit headgear for a planned publication, I believe this hat is a reproduction from the early 60s. Is the sweatband bound together on the side or at the rear? If at the side, that feature along with the blue cotton lining makes me believe it is indeed an early repro. I have a repro Luft Officer's visor with the exact same features as your hat. Sorry; I sincerely hope I am wrong. If you want to sell it (or would allow me to feature it in my publication), please PM me. Good luck!

[viking 57]

hi thanks for your mail

at the rear of curse ! the black band is ok, no problem

[Dave Kane]

Very thanks for your answer

Dave, I think, the cap is not re lined ( the interior is not removed and the lining, you will see my new pictures... )

Robin, the cap was worned by the inside and not outside so that's why she seems to be oldest inside than outside.

NTZ, thanks, you will have your pictures tomorow, no problem ! the diamond is huge? ( diamond is celuloid, not plastic, and just marqued : "56" written just under the diamond )

best regards

You are correct! However, the sweatband has been replaced then....choosing either option belies the outside condition and the cap in general.

[derek]

The picture posted above by David Kane is an excellent illustration of one of the most consistent indicators of a hat being fiddled with. The impression left by the cap's sweatband is an extremely important, and easily inspected aspect of peaked caps. The lack of an impression is cause for concern and, when present, if the mark does not correspond to the edge of the band you can bet your bottom dollar something is amiss. Compare this feature to known originals and you will see immediately how obvious a red flag it is.
Derek

[NTZ]

Dave you have an eagle eye

[viking 57]

Soory Dave, but look the new picture, the black band is original, not removed...

[NTZ]

Viking, in simple terms what Dave has pointed out is that the cap itself is a post war reproduction in which someone added a period visor, sweatband and lining to give it more of a period look. These caps are referred to as a Frankenstein, reupholstered or re-lined cap. He has clearly pointed this out showing the indentation in the lining from the sweatband (Its original one)clearly does not match up with the current sweatband. Who else thinks our Mickey Mouse loving friend is Phoef?

[jacquesf]

If you have all the answers, why do you ask? I would suggest you get a pet, or another hobby, like knitting. Jacques

[Fritz]

If you have all the answers, why do you ask? I would suggest you get a pet, or another hobby, like knitting. Jacques

Please no pets....alone the imagination of reworking a jack russel into a german shepherd...uuuuuhhhhhh....

Cheers

Fritz

[NickG]

arrows comment

Looking at the arrows (front of the cap) I agree that the leather sweatband does not line up perfectly with the age marks left on the lining material, which is an interesting observation and possible proof of a replacement liner in this case... but liners do shift, threads become less tight over time and liners start sagging... so in some cases you really can't tell for sure with out having the cap in hand, so don't judge too soon, but I agree here it does appear that there is a serious mis-allignment! so I did learn something from this to look out for! thanks! Could this be a period Kriegsmarine cap liner (judging by the color) if in fact its a retro-fitted piece? Nick

[NTZ]

You know everyone just might be wrong on this visor. I think I found a period photo of it in wear.