Luftwaffe Tropical Cap

[John Huff]

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[John Huff]

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[John Huff]

I would say bevo cockade and wreath anyway and all machine stitched --- or at least "tightly stitched". I could not find another Halfer made hat to compare it to.

[John Hodgin]

Hi John,

This is another strange feature, the neck flaps on early caps had rounded bottom corners. This feature was omitted on later caps in order to simplify production. Like Mr. Singer, I like the cap, all this makes me wonder if the cap is mis-dated. Or, Halfar was way ahead of the other makers putting features of later caps on their early ones.

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=JohnJ Hodgin]One concern I have is that the early caps did not have Bevo insignia, yet this one appears to have had a Bevo cockade and eagle
John,
Don't you mean bevo but folded back?

B. N. Singer

[John Hodgin]

No, Mr. Singer,

Early caps did not have Bevo insignia.

BUT! Duuuuh on me! I see my error. I thought the date was 41! I just looked at the interior shot again and this is not the date is it? I really can't make it out, opinions on the date please. John, you have it, what is the date?

Now that I know I read the date incorrectly, I really like the cap!
Thanks!

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=John Hodgin]No, Mr. Singer,

Early caps did not have Bevo insignia.

I thought the date was 41! I just looked at the interior shot again and this is not the date is it? I really can't make it out

Ah John,

you meant the 1st style! Yes I knew that, I just didn't think this one was that early.

As for the date, i would say the last number resembeld the 1 more than the 4 just by it's "slant".

b. N. Singer

[John Huff]

It sure looks like the date is "1941" from here. Wouldn't it be RB numbered if it was much later?

[John Hodgin]

I do not see the last digit as having a top angle as long as the first "1"
And yes John, RB numbered later.
This cap's date is very strange, 41 yet the cap does not match unsual production for an early cap. I feel the date, if 41, has to be a mistake. There are strong reasons for this that I'd rather not go into here.

[John Huff]

Not sure if this is much better...

[John Hodgin]

Thanks John,

It looks like a 1 to me. But this is very odd. If this last numeral 1 was as long on the top arm area as it is on the first numeral 1, it would then run into the 4.

We should look at some other Halfar markings.

[Paris Gun]

I like the Meyer hat posted here, especially the construction and size of the hat (since every original I ever owned was a size 57 or smaller, but I realize that means very little to others). However, I am puzzled by the mention in this thread of embroidered insignia on early dated hats.

Do original, wartime manufactured, machine embroidered winged wreaths intended for use on Luft Meyer hats actually exist, and if so, does anyone have one available for viewing or perhaps a photos showing one being worn?

I thought only bevo versions of the winged wreath were manufactured and/or utilized, and that machine embroidered versions are indicative of post-war manufacture.

Lastly, I am further confused by a piece in my collection that is a machine embroidered winged wreath on dark blue/gray (or perhaps faded black) backing! It was a Canadian vet obtained piece and shows evidence of having once been applied to a hat. I have my doubts as to its authenticity because I have never seen photos of wartime use of any machine embroidered winged wreaths, so I am prompted to ask if anyone has seen one with continental backing whose originality cannot be questioned or because of photographic evidence of actual use.

I don't have picture posting ability or privileges, nor do I have a picture that I could send for posting.

[John Hodgin]

I like the Meyer hat posted here, especially the construction and size of the hat (since every original I ever owned was a size 57 or smaller, but I realize that means very little to others). However, I am puzzled by the mention in this thread of embroidered insignia on early dated hats.
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Paris, do you have books with period photos of Fj in Afrika, specifically General Ramcke wearing his "Meyer" at El Alamein? Please note the insignia on this cap. The earliest Meyers did not have Bevo insignia. Nor did they have a specific embroidered insignia, most had the cockades of side caps and breast eagles from tunics.

There are several details of this Meyer that are atypical and so a concern for me.
John

[Jos L C]

Now we're here,would you guys please take a look at this one too and tell me what you think..?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...123757&page=14

Jos.