SS Visor Cap #4. LAST ONE! Opinions

[sturmbannfuhrer]

Hi NTZ, Many thanks for your reply. I'm still having trouble finding my silver inked Haug mark.

The cap refered to above is a quality fake. It's an example of the stamp used inside in "silver" I want to see. Several colleagues have refered to the mark Janke use as being a forgery, although we know that the die used by Janke is actually real. (Formerly owned by Haug). This thread has those views in the earlier posts. The ones questioning the characters used in the print etc. These guys are unaware of the fact the stamp used is the real deal, they know like us that the visor is repro though.

I would like to see the very same maker mark in the "Silver" Ink, in an original Haug piece. So far no one has been able or bothered to post a pic of one. Lignemaginot posted two great pics in my previous standalone thread. One of the other type similar to the one above but not the same and the other a Haug mark in black ink. That one alone is enough to substantiate my view of Haug using other colours than Silver. My point is until we see one of the Janke type in Silver, we shouldn't discount possible original caps (Not obvious repros)that show correct period manufacturing techniques etc. The one above is a well made repro, good for a few quid, I think repro sellers push these for above the £185 mark.

I'm hoping someone will post one.

[NTZ]

I found this site selling high-end fakes (I use this term loosely) including a Haug.

http://www.relicsofthereichreturn.com/caps.html

The only photo I could find is a luft Haug with silver lettering on Shea’s site.

[Donald Abenheim]

Pfui

The black cap here is an overwhelming fake. I did own a Lw Lieferungsmuetze from Haug with the silver foil letter. I have an image somwhere of it. Haug also made caps as Criha, a higher end cap vs. the Liferungsmuetze. I have handled a lot of black SS officers caps in my day, and this piece here is a Janke, pure and simple. On the GDC forum did I append images of authentic black officer caps, and the Wilkins books includes black caps with logos, which are the exception, and mainly from the era prior to about 1935-ish, also a time when the officer corps of the SS was pretty small. My point: a Haug cap for a higher rank might have an entirely different logo than this; and this configuration in the Janke caps is always black ink vs silver foil. Sorry. It is a stinker. The Ingram cap on a file of nine months ago is a garden variety AUTHENTIC cap. After 1935, in the main, party regalia was supposed to (...not always...) be free of maker logos, if made under auspices of the RZM for sale via its licensed outlets, pp. This policy came straight from the Fuehrer himself. The Maederer site has a Sonderanfertigung cap of late make for sale from Mueller Dachauerstrasse/Muenchen. It is devoid of logos.

[Donald Abenheim]

I found this site selling high-end fakes (I use this term loosely) including a Haug.

http://www.relicsofthereichreturn.com/caps.html

The only photo I could find is a luft Haug with silver lettering on Shea’s site.

This is exactly the imprint had in my Lw Lieferungsmuetze which, I think, I sold to Shea at some point.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

That's a good silver print from Bill's site of the other die mark. We are going to find that other die print from the Janke's very elusive in silver.

What do we do if we can't find one?

We have to continue to judge on construction techniques, but possibly not the mark in black / brown until a silver one surfaces. An interesting situation. A good area for the forum to chase up all leads until one is found?