Feuerwehr or Reichsbahn schirmmütze, ww2 or not ?

[Ir 143]

Hello i have seen this cap, sorry for the bad pictures.
A chance this can be a ww2 cap ? Its shows the traces of an insignia in the top part, a post ww2 fire brigade badge ?
Thank you

[billbert]

FIRE...Billbert

[Ir 143]

Firefighter cap.

Hello, thank you, is it a ww era or not ? The lining materials looks old but, i have no exeperience with white lining...

[Ir 143]

Firefighter cap.

More opinions please ?

[SgtB]

From these pics, IMO, it's a very tough call. I believe that some units of the Feuerschutze used this same type cap as late as the mid-sixties. There is no doubt that wartime caps were rebadged and used postwar and that new caps were made entirely from leftover wartime components in the same manor (and also by the same mutzen-macheren) as the original TR caps.


So, if it has evidence of postwar badges, which one is it?


Put the badges that we all know and love on it, and set it on the shelf.
When you re-sell it, tell the next guy.

[Ir 143]

Feuerwehr cap.

Hello, here better pictures.
The band is NOT made of velvet, buth normal cloth. On the contrary of what i say; the cap looks to never has worn an insignia, the "traces" where moth traces.
Thank you for your opinions.

[Ir 143]

Firefighter cap.

No more opinions ?

[stonemint]

TR Feuerwehr used velvet bands, not wool, so it is probably BRD.

[Ir 143]

Firefighter cap.

TR Feuerwehr used velvet bands, not wool, so it is probably BRD.

Hello, yes, Third Reich Feuerwehr use velvet bands, but Luftwaffe Airfield Fire service use the same type of band as mine..

[stonemint]

Hello, yes, Third Reich Feuerwehr use velvet bands, but Luftwaffe Airfield Fire service use the same type of band as mine..

I highly doubt it was fliegerhorst feuerwehr--the outline of the schwingen would be clearly visible.
Also, every real FH-FW I have seen was wartime marked to Carl Halfar.


Here is another BRD Feuerwehr for sale on Ebay right now:

[Ir 143]

Firefighter cap.

I highly doubt it was fliegerhorst feuerwehr--the outline of the schwingen would be clearly visible.
Also, every real FH-FW I have seen was wartime marked to Carl Halfar.


Here is another BRD Feuerwehr for sale on Ebay right now:

Thank you, so probably postwar.

[stonemint]

Just for reference, here is a Fliegerhorst Feuerwehr EM/NCO visor by Halfar: