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    #31
    Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
    It is what it is and just this. Do you really think a soldier at the front line would like to be shot in the next 5 minutes because his buckle was reflecting sun?? By 44 with the Russian facing you, time for parade was long time gone!

    The two reasons why most of the paint is gone from the front is because 1) RODO buckles were not primed to begin with, so the paint was not attaching to the buckle as the silver paint was. Then quality of the paint in 1944/45 was of lesser quality, much lesser quality than before 1943 2) Green buckles were only for Waffen SS, not Allgemeine. So, if the Allgemeine was staying home, the Waffen SS was fighting front line. You have more chances to have a lot of your car's paint gone if you are doing 4X4 driving in the mountains rather than driving on highway!

    Unbelievable what sellers can come with...
    Jean-Pierre,
    You're probably right. It's just a story.
    However, I think that my use of "shiny" is not appropriate. The story, it comes from old collectors who spoke themself with veterans, is that they removed the paint because they wanted that their green buckle have a silver apparence like the fighters from the start used to wear.
    "Shiny" is not right, sorry. It's more silver, like a piece of steel without paint (and like 95% of the SS buckles - Alu or silver painted).
    A large amout of period pics show the fighters with a buckle with a silver/alu apparence. The same with Fj's (most of them wore their aluminum made buckle)
    I just add that a lot of overhoff late war buckles wich have been found showing a lot of wear still have their silver paint here and there, around the edges, the eagles, ….most of the Rodo are obviously cleaned by removing all the paint.

    Anyways, it's just speculations. I'm just telling what I heard - not trying to prove anything.

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      #32
      I still believe that this story makes sense and I don’t see it as an outrageous behaviour From the soldiers just the opposite anyway if that was the case it would have been very easy for them to remove the paint looking at the very low quality of it
      Originally posted by Fsoq View Post
      Jean-Pierre,
      You're probably right. It's just a story.
      However, I think that my use of "shiny" is not appropriate. The story, it comes from old collectors who spore them self with veterans, is that they removed the paint because they wanted that their green buckle have a silver apparence like the fighters from the start used to wear.
      "Shiny" is not right, sorry. It's more silver, like a piece of steel without paint (and like 95% of the SS buckles - Alu or silver painted).
      A large amout of period pics show the fighters with a buckle with a silver/alu apparence. The same with Fj's (most of them wore their aluminum made buckle)
      I just add that a lot of overhoff late war buckles wich have been found showing a lot of wear still have their silver paint here and there, around the edges, the eagles, ….most of the Rodo are obviously cleaned by removing all the paint.

      Anyways, it's just speculations. I'm just telling what I heard - not trying to prove anything.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Fsoq View Post
        Jean-Pierre,
        You're probably right. It's just a story.
        However, I think that my use of "shiny" is not appropriate. The story, it comes from old collectors who spoke themself with veterans, is that they removed the paint because they wanted that their green buckle have a silver apparence like the fighters from the start used to wear.
        "Shiny" is not right, sorry. It's more silver, like a piece of steel without paint (and like 95% of the SS buckles - Alu or silver painted).
        A large amout of period pics show the fighters with a buckle with a silver/alu apparence. The same with Fj's (most of them wore their aluminum made buckle)
        I just add that a lot of overhoff late war buckles wich have been found showing a lot of wear still have their silver paint here and there, around the edges, the eagles, ….most of the Rodo are obviously cleaned by removing all the paint.

        Anyways, it's just speculations. I'm just telling what I heard - not trying to prove anything.
        By strict order of H. Himmler (1935 if memory serves) NO SS buckle should be of shiny apparence. ANY SS buckle made from shiny metal MUST be coverd by a dull, non reflective, silver coat. Brand new aluminum SS buckles were dull silver coated as such
        Jean Pierre Redeuilh
        All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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          #34
          Really appreciate your contribution to this thread I just wonder what profit can someone get out of this story considering most of these buckles are with very little paint left Moreover in my opinion those buckles that saw some action are the ones that have more value and therefore are those with little paint left But in reality those mint ones with 100% paint are the ones more expensive
          Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
          By strict order of H. Himmler (1935 if memory serves) NO SS buckle should be of shiny apparence. ANY SS buckle made from shiny metal MUST be coverd by a dull, non reflective, silver coat. Brand new aluminum SS buckles were dull silver coated as such
          Last edited by jlga; 01-23-2020, 08:52 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by jlga View Post
            Really appreciate your contribution to this thread I just wonder what profit can someone get out of this story considering most of these buckles are with very little paint left
            If you were collector of SS buckles (or just collector of buckles should I say) you will search for the ones in the best condition as possible. In my collecting life I never purchased anything but in excellent++ condition or almost mint, except if this was for a very scarce buckle. Yes, they require more money but they are what it is guaranteed to resell in the event you have to. RODO's buckles in the poster's condition are absolutely not hard to find, and I can still buy those without too much of a problem for less than $400 USD. Mint's like the one DirtyHarry or the two I posted are the ones hard to find. Dealers know that, you can be certain of it. People caring for field use look or even dug buckles are just a "niche". If a dealer wants to get rid of a very worn buckle he has to make you believe what he has is of higher value that what you can find somewhere else, or to make it look attracting to someone's eyes. This is called "impulse buying" or using someone's credulity to prevent him/her from thinking twice. Honestly, and please do not be offended by my words - there is no attempt to hurt your feelings but just a need to preserve truth in this collecting - the "shine" story is just bull$@t.

            As an additional note, by 1944 most of the Waffen-SS EM's fighting front line were coming from foreign "volunteers" or teenagers from the HJ. They did not care about looking like the old guys, since been there was just because they were obliged to join for some, or the wanted to fight communism or some kind of personal antagonism for others. Very few had be desire to join the SS and almost the guarantee to be shot in the next month.
            Jean Pierre Redeuilh
            All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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              #36
              I appreciate what you are saying and yes that’s the way our Hobby works and I completely agree it’s just a matter of taste I like worn and being there items all in all what is clear is that the buckles for obvious reasons Had very poor Paint finish and those who saw some action lost some of that Paint nevertheless I like these buckles very much I mean this maker
              Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
              If you were collector of SS buckles (or just collector of buckles should I say) you will search for the ones in the best condition as possible. In my collecting life I never purchased anything but in excellent++ condition or almost mint, except if this was for a very scarce buckle. Yes, they require more money but they are what it is guaranteed to resell in the event you have to. RODO's buckles in the poster's condition are absolutely not hard to find, and I can still buy those without too much of a problem for less than $400 USD. Mint's like the one DirtyHarry or the two I posted are the ones hard to find. Dealers know that, you can be certain of it. People caring for field use look or even dug buckles are just a "niche". If a dealer wants to get rid of a very worn buckle he has to make you believe what he has is of higher value that what you can find somewhere else, or to make it look attracting to someone's eyes. This is called "impulse buying" or using someone's credulity to prevent him/her from thinking twice. Honestly, and please do not be offended by my words - there is no attempt to hurt your feelings but just a need to preserve truth in this collecting - the "shine" story is just bull$@t.

              As an additional note, by 1944 most of the Waffen-SS EM's fighting front line were coming from foreign "volunteers" or teenagers from the HJ. They did not care about looking like the old guys, since been there was just because they were obliged to join for some, or the wanted to fight communism or some kind of personal antagonism for others. Very few had be desire to join the SS and almost the guarantee to be shot in the next month.
              Last edited by jlga; 01-23-2020, 10:19 AM.

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                #37
                Hi guys would like to show you this other very nice buckle I have in my collection hope you like it
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                  #38
                  Nice

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                    #39
                    I really appreciate your answer glad you like it
                    Originally posted by ivanjoaquin View Post
                    Nice

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