Not too common buckle SS aluminium flat back

[sturmtrupp]

Best one i have seen!!

[Joda]

Great buckle I would love to have it in my collection. I guess the aluminum buckles were pre war production and then the zinc flat backs came out during the war.


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Yes, I have the same thought as Kirbi's: what is the collector's community opinion about the date of manufacturing of this buckle?
Alu as known is a pre-war/ early war material, but the manufacturing technique as injected molding is a late war way..

Your opinions guys?

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

but the manufacturing technique as injected molding is a late war way..

You should be certain of that first ...

[Joda]

You should be certain of that first ...

Thank you Jean Pierre,
So you think Sieper used an early material during the last years of the War?
I ask this because it reminds me the 822/42 ones, manufactured as injected molded buckles but dated quite early.. (or do you think also 822/42 buckles were manufactured late in the war?)

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

What I mean is: are you sure injuection molding is a late war manufacturing technique?

[KC1]

To answer JP's answer:

[KC1]

822/42 is considered mid-war

[Joda]

Thank you both!

Exactly as I mean; 822/42 is a mid war buckle, so injection molding tecnique started in the middle of the war, and so only zink molded buckles should be considered late war ones.

Assuming this, Sieper flat back should be a mid war buckle.

Are you agreed?

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

NO. I do NOT agree! The only FACT you have in front of your eyes is an injection molded by Sieper made in 1942. What you also have as FACT is that it is made from zinc/pot metal/kriegsmetal! The last evidence you have is that both flat backs were made by the same maker. But what you have there is only an SS buckle, and only one made by just one maker (Sieper was not the only maker producing by injection). Is that enough to say the injection technique started by 1942?? No, it is not. You have also other elements to enter in your equation before: what is the real metal content of those flat backs? Is that really aluminum or is it a mix of several others looking like aluminum but not been aluminum? Were any of those componesnts / metals allowed for the manufacture of uniform equipement in that period? And so on.

[schorschi]

Hello Joda,

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...+buckle&page=2

Best

[Joda]

Hello Joda,

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...+buckle&page=2

Best

Thanks a lot

[Joda]

NO. I do NOT agree! The only FACT you have in front of your eyes is an injection molded by Sieper made in 1942. What you also have as FACT is that it is made from zinc/pot metal/kriegsmetal! The last evidence you have is that both flat backs were made by the same maker. But what you have there is only an SS buckle, and only one made by just one maker (Sieper was not the only maker producing by injection). Is that enough to say the injection technique started by 1942?? No, it is not. You have also other elements to enter in your equation before: what is the real metal content of those flat backs? Is that really aluminum or is it a mix of several others looking like aluminum but not been aluminum? Were any of those componesnts / metals allowed for the manufacture of uniform equipement in that period? And so on.

I understand perfectly, thank you Jean Pierre.