HJ Leaders buckle....fake?

[Dave-B]

Hi all,
I have this HJ leaders buckle and I was hoping for some opinions on it,it is marked RZM M4/116 and has a strange grey metal claw attachment.The detail is superb and crisp but I have a feeling its a repro

Any info opinions would be greatly appreciated!


Dave

[Dave-B]

reverse

[Dave-B]

RZM mark

[Dave-B]

straight on pic

[David North]

Dave

The "Leader" type buckle is not my cup of tea, however I think that this M4/116 (the very rare Camill Bergmann u. Cie) buckle and being based on the well known C T Dicke design, is a fake.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong !

Regards,

David

[buckle1]

Nothing wrong with this buckle. The M4/116 is a bit less common than the M4/22. The High Leader buckle has not been faked that I know of but I have been out of the 3rd Reich buckles for over three years so things nmay have changed.

Bill

[Dave-B]

David and Bill,thanks for the replies and opinions! I'm not sure about the buckle,the grey metal claw is putting me off but I suppose the original could have been replaced with this one.
Its showing signs of having a frosted background,would they have bothered with this on a fake??

Any more opinions?

Cheers

Dave

[Wickie]

Dave, I can not say for sure if your buckle is good or not.

I just want to say a few words about the HJ leader fakes. They are unbelieveable good! I had one in hands (RZM M4/22) and I was not able to identify it as fake!
They appear with several markings (M4/22; M4/46; M4/116 and possibly with M4/119) as well as unmarked.

Everybody who wants to buy a HJ leader buckle, be very very carefully!!!!

I will take a look if I have a photo from a fake buckle.


Regards,
Christian

David and Bill,thanks for the replies and opinions! I'm not sure about the buckle,the grey metal claw is putting me off but I suppose the original could have been replaced with this one.
Its showing signs of having a frosted background,would they have bothered with this on a fake??

Any more opinions?

Cheers

Dave

[buckle1]

Christian/Dave,


I was not aware that the fakes of this buckle were that good. Have never seen one so have nothing to compare it to. I took another hard look at the prong bar.The color does not bother me but I am not sure I like the shape of the prongs or the sleeve. Again this could just be based on Christians comment.
Sorry I can't be of more help. If you are intertested in a good HJ leader I have one in silver on copper M4/22 that I have owned for over 15 years and know is good.

Bill