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**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 07-06-2011, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by greenwave7 View Post

Ps can I imagine that all your researches and discovers are made along the years with not only collecting-comparing metal buckles and leather belts but also with "dig on the dirty" of historical documents of the producers and the RZM regulations papers, that's right or...?

GW7

You are right. But this is also the result of several people, not just only myself. If you take time to read eveything I posted/published since 2001, you will find all the names of contributors listed among my posts when evidence was coming from another source. Always. Some are recuring names - we are now dear friends, no more coleagues since we shared so many things together - but there is several times where the help was only once. Always gave proper credit, even to my sworn enemies (yes, I have some

). The Rudolf Fisher and or/ Paul Meybauer issue is an example where I should had wait a bit longer before posting a result.
BTW, follow the above link and read the thread. You will have another correction you can do to your list if you find it valid.

**greenwave7** · 07-07-2011, 03:57 AM

to everybody all over the hearth

First of all I want to say a big THANKS to everyone which contribute to this "kind" of thread, I want to tranquilize evryone 'bout my intents on "ss databank open source initiative": it's only a personal-open source (and not copyrighted by me naturally!) proposal for every collector of these buckles (I'm actually checking all the 2500 threads on this site 'bout ss buckle for improve and learn more and more on this specific argument...).
I've lost the hints of JP on warrelics forums so now I'm so happy to meet Him AGAIN

.
As I told you before I've not a huge ss buckle collection (no commercial but if you want you can easly check on the same thread on forum that I menthioned before) as yours and my intention is ever to respect your work/contribute on this field: I NEVER CAN'T PUBLISH or "GRAB"/STEAL ANYTHING WITHOUT ASK TO OWNERS THE PERMIT (I mean pics and texts at all)!
I must admint that I'm a little sorry for the "NOT INTENTION" of JP to publish a reference book on this argument, I don't understand why but I respect deeply his choice, ANYWAY his experince (and yours NATURALLY!) are so HUGHE that I'll prenote form now a book on this specific field!!!!

CHEERS&BEERS

ANDREA

**greenwave7** · 07-07-2011, 04:00 AM

ps lots of errors on my last post beg you really pardon but I'm aswering to you so faster!!!

Andrea

**helmutderpa** · 07-07-2011, 04:55 AM

Hello JP,

I am sorry that you think that I "jumped on you" but I can understand it, as I felt that you 'jumped" on Andrea.

It seems SS buckle collectors know each other very well, probably due to the fact that they are meeting in numerous different forums.

Well, in my case, I am only participating to this forum in English and I am not a SS buckle collector.

I collect all kind of military / para military EM german buckles but also german militaria in general.

Having a rather larger area of collecting, I do not consider that identifying a buckle maker is a major goal.

Knowing the different original variants (and also the different fake variants) is the main goal for me.

I might not have build threads to develop a study in this forum, but I usually help others as much as I can. So considering me as just someone who come and take is not fair, I think. I rarely ask for help so I give more than I ask here.

I think that this forum needs people like me as it needs people like you...

I am happy of the work you do and the thread you build but your opinion is still only your opinion about how others should collect, participate, and so on.

Please think about that and forgive me to be sincere...

Simon

**greenwave7** · 07-09-2011, 08:16 AM

OK Guys, I'm tried to update the "list" after your suggestions (and 2500 readed threads

),

please "correct me" as usual

Andrea

O & Cie (Overhoff, nichel, early full MOTTO reverse ampersand, 3 variants(4 prong types): left, centered and ??? marked full motto )
O & Cie Early (Overhoff, nichel, umarked)
O & Cie RZM (Overhoff, nichel, RZM marked variant)
O & Cie ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel)
O & Cie ges ge(space)sch (Overhoff, nichel, spacing title variant)
O & Cie Ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel/nichel over brass, 3 marking variant: 2 types of BOLD marking char set and sometimes DRGM mark)
ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel,”name ground off” marking variant)
RZM 24 (Overhoff, nichel)
RZM 35/36 (Overhoff, nichel)
RZM 36/36 (Overhoff, nichel)
RZM 36/37 (Overhoff, al)
RZM 36/38 (Overhoff, al)
RZM 36/39 (Overhoff,al)
RZM 36/40 (Overhoff, al)
RZM 36/42 (Overhoff, steel)
RZM 36/43 (Overhoff, steel)
RZM 36/44 (Overhoff, steel)
O & Cie (Overhoff, steel unmarked late war and green painted variant)
O & Cie (Overhoff, steel M4/27 RZM marked)

Early (nichel, “HAMMER HEAD” unmarked variant)

Early (nichel, “FAT EAGLE”, 2 variants: marked O&Cie and unmarked)

Early “SHARPLY WINGS” (nichel , NO Paul Meybauer, Berlin, , unmarked)

Early “CRANKED WING EAGLE” (nichel, variant early unmarked)

“Rotated Swastika” (nichel variant unmarked, different dies)

RZM 63 (Steinhauer & Luck, nichel)

RZM 57 (M Winter, nichel, 2 variants: 57 RZM SS marked, 57 RZM SS ges gesch MW marked)

257 Christian Theodore Dicke

Rudolf Fischer, Nixdorf (nichel, early umarked)

Friedrich Keller (nichel, unmarked)

Gau Essen (umarked)

“Big Eagle prototipe” RS&S (al, several catch types)

822 Unmarked RS&S (al)
822/37 RS&S (al, 2 variants: rope near the head of eagle and no-rope)
822/38 RS&S (al, 3 types of marking variants)
822/39 RS&S (al)
822/42 RS&S (zinc)
822/42 RS&S (zinc, umarked)

Early ASSMAN “WOLF EAGLE”(??right nickname??) (nichel, unmarked)
155/36 RZM – O & Cie (nichel, marked variant)
155/39 (Assmann, al, 2 types: 2 types of marking mark on cyfers (and possibly different dies????))
155/40 (Assmann, al)
155/40 (Assman, steel, 2 variants: 1type marked near the catch bar, 2type marked under the prongs bar, several catch types and a prototipe green painted with cranck catch)
155/43 (Assmann, steel)

JFS (steel, late war, 2 variants: marked and unmarked)

RODO (Robert Dold, Offenburg, steel, 2 types: type 1 rope under the beak,type2 no rope under the beak)
RODO (Robert Dold, Offenburg, steel, DARK BLUE color variant)

GZM M1/131 Variant

“Plain back” late war variant

Haunstein & Kirchhof, Leipzig

Berge & Nolte

OFFICCERS BUCKLES

O & Cie ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel)
RZM 24 (Overhoff, nichel)
RZM 36/36 (nichel)
RZM 36/37
RZM 36/38
RZM 36/39
RZM 36/43 (zinc)
257 (Christian Theodore Dicke)
EMIL JUNTER (ejl marked)
“New Eagle” prototipe with SS letters in the eagle claws

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 07-09-2011, 07:53 PM

MUCH better. At least two you could correct by yourself if you pay close attention at what I wrote within my last 10 posts.

Also, there is absolutely nothing to support the Gau Essen ever been SS related

**John T** · 07-09-2011, 09:13 PM

greenwave, you are missing some of the officer's if you really want to get technical, such as upside-downo and c, and upside down rzm 24's unmarked Jüttners to name three variants that come to mind at this moment--then the RODO with the very light/thin finish

**greenwave7** · 07-10-2011, 04:02 AM

Ok Many THANKS John & JP

..and now...I correct myself

:

36/37 (al) EM buckle as 2 marking variant!

For John:
what do you mean with "...such as upside-downo and c..."? Three marking variant on EMIL JUNTER officers buckle at all? Officers Rodo exist? do you have some pics of this?

For JP:
I must "dig" better on your last 10 posts, right?

For ALL:
I never seen a 257 CTD SS EM buckle, Haunstein & Kirchhof SS EM buckle, Leipzig, Berge & Nolte SS EM buckle: they exist? do you have some pics of these?

Cheers Andrea

**greenwave7** · 07-10-2011, 04:12 AM

two more corections on the my officers section, 'cause I want to be technical (as John rightly says

),the "O & Cie ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel)" splits in 2 variants:

O & Cie ges ge (SPACE) sch (Overhoff, nichel)

O & Cie Ges gesch (Overhoff, nichel, BOLD chars)

Andrea

**greenwave7** · 07-11-2011, 01:12 AM

PS in Angolia book (2001 ed.) he refers that a SS double circle 822/38 exists (with pic naturally), so we usually talk 'bout 3 types of 822/38 (and 3 types of different marks), but I never seen the double circle ss except in Angolia text: it's a faked one or...??

Andrea

**greenwave7** · 08-23-2011, 06:05 AM

For jp: Help ;-)

Dear Mates beg you pardon for use this thread in this way but I need to comunicate with JPR and I've not his phone

anyway...JP after 2 months I produce a kind of (extremely personal) review on this argument I need your help and suggestions too for correct my mistakes: can I send to you a CD?
If so can you send to me in a PM your address?

Cheers

Andrea

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