TWO PRUSSIANS? Opinions Please

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I am not at all comfortable here with these two.
The one with he undated tab seems to me to be a poor fake.
The other , dated 17, I am not altogether sure, but not enthusiastic about either.
I am having trouble with the cross touching the dial in both cases, I dont like the catch on the undated one.
Please let me know what you feel.

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Prussians?

Also have a look at the leaves
Thanks.

[helmutderpa]

Both are original.
No problem with them.
WWI buckles are very different in details than WWII ones.

Simon

[rick1]

Looks good to me.

[Finnishlion178]

Look fine. Those are Orginals.

[Kevin C Rea]

Nothing wrong with that brace of buckles. Positively oozing history!

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Prussians?

Thanks Guys. I found a good german site for Imperial buckles:
Gott-Mitt-Uns.de
Informative with basic repro alert articles.

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My worry was the soldered catch on the second buckle but I understand this was done period time.
The 16 types definetly have a sloppier look even down to the stitching of the tabs. As I see on Gott-Mitt-Uns.de
WWI buckles seem to be indeed less standardized than WWII ones as you have suggested.
In any case I am extremely careful cautious as CZ are popping out killer copies at the moment.

[C. Roelens]

A couple of well worn (and who wouldn't be in their 90's) original buckles... I don't see any red flags either.

Chuck