ss officer buckle and strap

[Bob Coleman]

Ric is right.

Only the main buckle body is an untouched Overhoff (buckle disk). Unfortunately it remains an uncomplete SS officer buckle.

a-They never had been a sewn into the belt variant produced by this maker for the SS.
b-It is also pretty easy to see with those photos the main buckle body and the keeper are not matching
c-All SS and VA markings on leather components were post war added (of course considering the leather could have its source before 1945).

I agree with everything said by John-Pierre. Further, "Ge Gesch" and "DRGM" are not marking used on SS material as everything was reviewed by the RZM.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

I agree with everything said by John-Pierre. Further, "Ge Gesch" and "DRGM" are not marking used on SS material as everything was reviewed by the RZM.

The patent marking on the Overhoff buckle (O&C Ges.gesch.) is perfectly legit since those SS buckles were made before the RZM was implemented.
As a note, there is also a serie of SS EM buckles made by the same maker marked with "DRGM" as well, attesting a patent of higher level was also in effect. No SS Officer buckle is known (as of today) with this DRGM addition.

[Bob Coleman]

The patent marking on the Overhoff buckle (O&C Ges.gesch.) is perfectly legit since those SS buckles were made before the RZM was implemented.
As a note, there is also a serie of SS EM buckles made by the same maker marked with "DRGM" as well, attesting a patent of higher level was also in effect. No SS Officer buckle is known (as of today) with this DRGM addition.

Thanks for the information. I stand corrected. Another day that I learn something new.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Thanks for the information. I stand corrected. Another day that I learn something new.

Do not worry, it is a very common mistake! It is not easy to remember that SS buckles were introduced in 1931 / 1932, still at least years before the RZM or even the nazis were able to dictate anything to makers. Civil commercial court was the only agency to be concerned with ....

[juoneen]

I respectfully submit these photos here to suggest this buckle just may be a total forgery. The details of the front are so different please peruse these , as much is totally different from THIS truly original buckle. No disrespect intended, i feel in this case you may possibly just be incorrect.

[juoneen]

the makers marks wer die struck lightly not etched

Notice the G for ges, should be small, and the whole makers mark is acid etched instead of struck..

[juoneen]

also the cuts for the buckle keeper hook is rough , and raised up, sharp , and it a good job, but doesnt get a cigar in my book. Just my opinion, as it is close , but i feel this example shown is very suspect , as opposed to this one i have posted for reference, if someone can put them side by side, i think youll see what im talking about...

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

also the cuts for the buckle keeper hook is rough , and raised up, sharp , and it a good job, but doesnt get a cigar in my book. Just my opinion, as it is close , but i feel this example shown is very suspect , as opposed to this one i have posted for reference, if someone can put them side by side, i think youll see what im talking about...

You are indeed correct with marking differences since the one starting this thread is called the "Capital G" variant. Your is one of the most common other two variants (O&C ges. gesch. and O&C ges. ge sch. - note space between e and s in gesch.). All three are legit manufactures with their own differences.
The marking with Capital G is, I believe, earlier than the others, and surviving examples of this variant for officers are MUCH harder to find than the two others with regular marking.
Interesting to note is also that it is a marking with Capital G which is associated to buckles marked with DRGM (EM SS buckles only so far).
I would be delighted to see an SS officer with Capital G and DRGM marking since I am convinced there is some somewhere ...

Unfortunately for the thread starter, the buckle is very desirable but uncomplete. Without the correct keeper assembly, a lot of value is gone ...

[juoneen]

a rew more shots to see head feathers, and rope sections from beak to end of head fea



i count 8 rope sections from tip of beak to back of head feather.so the details are actually seemingly different dies. i didnt know this style with the larger capital G was original.

[juoneen]

The ridges up to the right are not angled , but more perpendicular to the center circle, and more parrallel to each other, thought id just point that out as i noticed it right away. Also the top center ribbon crossed is detailed better, and this example is even very worn.

[juoneen]

last shot to show details under swastika stippling



I also wanted to show the stippling under the swas to show it is more like foreward slashes, even though it is still stippling, and the Large G version is more the consistancy as the above part of the swastika..thats all, i think the viewers can see for themselves the differences of these two buckles. I still seem to feel the other makers mark is etched as opposed to stamped, as i have a shot of this one where it is plain to see it is not deep stamped, but still stamped none the less.The reason i think the other one is etched is its too deep, and has the rough edges etching has, and if etched it may have been done in 2 seperate etchings, as it is out of parralax and not in a straight line as the stamped .
I do hope your buckle theory presents an example for us to see someday... even if it doesnt happen now, it can be added anytime in the future if anyone has one, or happens upon one. I know id like to see one also.
These nickled buckles are much more durable even under heavy wear, its a shame they discontinued this style...definitely the most attractive .
If anyone can put up a shot of one over the other or side by side, i still think it will illustrate the differences in the details much better than me trying to grunt out an explanation...thanks for hearing me out I felt this was important anyway to bring to the forums attention.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

You are indeed again right since different dies were used as well (a die can make so many buckles before need to be replaced).
I will later post more photos, including some of other Capital G.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

As promised ...

So, first variant. Same design as the two other above, with obvious stripes surrounding the swastika disk. Marking with Capital G.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

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