Unknown maker mark SA-buckle

[musketier]

Raphael,
if you prefer to post by French, I'm sure JP will help us to understand your exact opinion about.
Best
Ric

Hello All,

@Ric...this becomes nothing according to my opinion...
But to thanks for the tip !

With the best greetings

Raphael

[David North]

Ric

This is a buckle where you and I will agree to disagree.

I have the slight advantage of having owned and closely examined one of these bogus buckles.

For myself at least, nothing really surprises me anymore with SA buckles by their varied designs, fabrication and markings. There are however many "common" features and many generally "unacceptable" features.

In relation to this probably "early period" SA buckle, I cannot understand why there should be such a dramatic and theatrical display of makers marks. These are not just standard and documented Assmann and B u N marks, but highly detailed and advertising material type displays. In addition, the question that begs to be asked is why ?

It is just too much over the top detail for my liking and also, I do not like how these marks have been hammered into the brass, leaving a shadow on the obverse of the buckle.

Regards,

David

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[musketier]

I have the slight advantage of having owned and closely examined one of these bogus buckles.

Hello All,

@Ric...as I related to the box and the condition is not related to Assmann or
B & N could find, I am a full copy is assumed.

Thanks David, I am now wiser.

@David ... you have such a buckle without a marker ?

Thank you ...

Best regards

Raphael

[David North]

Raphael

From memory and from when I first saw this buckle some years ago, I hold no other SA which has exactly the same detail. Others held being very, very similar - however not exactly the same. I will though look again. Perhaps other forum members have the same SA ?

Regards,

David

[Ric Ferrari]

....and also, I do not like how these marks have been hammered into the brass, leaving a shadow on the obverse of the buckle.

Regards,

David

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David,

we may observe the same feature on few perfectly legit SS by Overhoff, so why not on SA by Berg & Nolte ?

Best

Ric

[Ric Ferrari]

David,

we may observe the same feature on few perfectly legit SS by Overhoff, so why not on SA by Berg & Nolte ?

Best

Ric

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[David North]

Point taken Ric.

Attached are some images of probably an even earlier buckle to yours where the lip stampings show through in relief, on the obverse.

Having said that, the SA buckle in question really does not correlate by the now discussed detail, with those that we have both shown.

As having said before, we will more than likely agree to disagree.

I still think that the crudely applied stampings on the subject SA buckle are post 1945.

Regards,

David

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[Ric Ferrari]

Point taken Ric.......Having said that, the SA buckle in question really does not correlate by the now discussed detail, with those that we have both shown...

David,

what we've both shown simply confirm that the feature you dislike "a shadow on the overse of the buckle" can't be taken as proof of reproduction : more likely the opposite, do you agree ?

Ric

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello David, Raphael,

since I was able to closely examine the buckle posted by Sascha, I have to agree with your opinion.
Having finally the buckle in hands many obvious signs of a modern manufacture are showed, so my opinion is that the whole box buckle is postwar made, post prongs assembly included.

Best

Ric

[musketier]

Hello David, Raphael,
since I was able to closely examine the buckle posted by Sascha, I have to agree with your opinion.
Having finally the buckle in hands many obvious signs of a modern manufacture are showed, so my opinion is that the whole box buckle is postwar made, post prongs assembly included.
Best
Ric

Hello All,

@Ric...I am glad very much about the feedback and the information !

Thank-you !

With the best greetings

Raphael

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello All,

@Ric...I am glad very much about the feedback and the information !

Thank-you !

With the best greetings

Raphael

Raphael,

it is worth to have it in hands : under magnification box and roundel clearly appear by casting, the post sleeve made by one modern tubular by brass crudely cutted at the ends to fit box width (such feature is not visible by a reverse photo).
Under magnification roundel and box show a porous surface left by casting process and the box edges crudely finished but brand new touching them.
Since I own the same roundel in original shape (the main reason of my early convinction) I compared both by a caliper and the fake one is obviously smaller.

Best

Ric