Unknown maker mark SA-buckle

[koch42107]

Hello Sascha,

an interesting buckle, may you please post pics of the box upper and bottom side (A Berg & Nolte marked) ?

Btw, all the buckles posted look original and nice

Thanks in advance

Ric

Hi Ric,

that´s the problem, I don´t have better pics because It´s not mine

Best,

Sascha

[musketier]

Me too
Best
Ric

Hello All,

this buckle raises many questions !
For me it is a dubious piece...
Maybe somebody has closer information about the buckle ?

With the best greetings

Raphael

[KC1]

I must agree with Ric; I like them all - specifically the 2 SA buckles. I would very much like to see the buckle box construction as well; both obverse and verso.

Sasha - if not already asked; if you have no interest in one or both SA's let me know.

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello All,

.....For me it is a dubious piece.....

Raphael

Why ?

Ric

[koch42107]

I must agree with Ric; I like them all - specifically the 2 SA buckles. I would very much like to see the buckle box construction as well; both obverse and verso.

Sasha - if not already asked; if you have no interest in one or both SA's let me know.

Hello Dan,

if you mean the two SA-buckles in nickel-plated, I´ll let you know.
Thanks for your opinions about the Berg-Nolte buckle

Best,

Sascha

[David North]

I "know" this double maker marked/RZM SA buckle well.

Some years ago I bought a selection of buckles from an English dealer which included a such marked SA. Then and now, I thought that the buckle was original, however that the markings were post 1945 applied and a sheer fantasy.

When I bought the buckle, I shared the images with a fellow collector, only to find later that images of the buckle that I held, appeared in the Nash publication. Having said that, obverse images of my buckle had been substituted by another buckle. That is, the reverse of my buckle with the obverse of some other fellows buckle !

I subsequently sold the buckle as original with the caveat of "post 1945 with applied fantasy stampings".

It is my opinion that some bright spark has accumulated some common design SA's and then, applied this clumsy, illogical and fantasy set of bogus markings.

In my opinion, an original and very common SA buckle with post 1945 fantasy, bogus and totally irrational stampings - applied in a quite non simpatico to period way.

Regards,

David

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[Ric Ferrari]

....In my opinion, an original and very common SA buckle with post 1945 fantasy, bogus and totally irrational stampings - applied in a quite non simpatico to period way.

Hello David,

same question as to Raphael : why ?

Best

Ric

[musketier]

Hello David,
same question as to Raphael : why ?
Best
Ric

Hello All,

I have light problems to understand everything.
Because my English does not so feel well.
Since Yesterday I did not know this buckle yet.
I have paged through the Nash sometimes.
However, I do not have this.

Now I collect myself sometimes together what in the buckle not like.
I can see nothing in the buckle what indicates to a relationship to Assmann or Berg & Nolte.

@David, I would see the sides with pleasure.

I do not know the buckle body also in such a way, from both manufacturers. The material seems to be very thin!
Near the plumb line places discolorations strike me.
The brass body is reddish there.
There the material became hot.
And the marks are not to me also thus a right.
Further I would compare with pleasure the buckle directly to a B&N and Assmann.
Then one can write more in addition.

Gets from my English please no headaches.

With the best greetings

Raphael

[David North]

Ric, as said "..totally irrational stampings - applied in a quite non simpatico to period way..."

A run of the mill SA buckle, resplendent with a crude compassed stamped Assmann logo, a crude bordered full logo stamped B u N name and a crude and thin stamped RZM mark - I do not think so as period. applied

Gilding the Lily as they say.

Absolute nonsense for an SA buckle !

Regards,

David

[Ric Ferrari]

Ric, as said "..totally irrational stampings - applied in a quite non simpatico to period way..."

A run of the mill SA buckle, resplendent with a crude compassed stamped Assmann logo, a crude bordered full logo stamped B u N name and a crude and thin stamped RZM mark - I do not think so as period. applied

Gilding the Lily as they say.

Absolute nonsense for an SA buckle !

Regards,

David

Hello David,

thanks for your reply, but I disagree :

1) I like the way the marking is impressed in, much different from the modern repro marking we usually look at.

2) The RZM looks separately applied, probably later added and that makes sense.

3) No doubt about buckle originality , so it does not make sense to improve it with such a composite bogus marking.

4) If the marking is really postwar, I expected to see it on different SA buckles just to make them more convincing : Sascha's and yours are the first ones and appear by the same maker.

Of course with one of them in hands, I would be able to say more....


Raphael,

if you prefer to post by French, I'm sure JP will help us to understand your exact opinion about.



Best

Ric

[koch42107]

Hello together,

first, this is a great teamwork to fathom this unusual SA-buckle.
For me is it is undefinably that some collectors only see a fistful of this buckle.
If it a fake, not the buckle but the maker mark, why the faker don´t manufactured more from this
My english is nit very good, I hope that you understand this

Best,

Sascha

[Ric Ferrari]

....If it a fake, not the buckle but the marker, why the faker don´t manufactured more from this

Best,

Sascha

Ric