Overhoff DAF-Stosstrupp-Werktrupp

[David North]

It is perhaps somewhat unusual when we on the forum can firmly date the introduction of a particular buckle, although I am sure, that this chap was perhaps first seen in 1938.

What is interesting here though is the configuration and design of the distinct Overhoff mark, that we all know so very well.

I for one was always under the impression that this strange oval device and which supports an extra striation, was resultant due to the possible confusion, following the introduction of the so called final RZM dignification.

Evidently not.

Regards,

David

[David North]

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[Guido L.]

Hello David

What a super and at the same time unusual buckle!

DAF Werkschar is not my main field, but there are some notes that I have:

Am I right, when I read 72 (against to 27)? If it is 72, the maker must be Deumer!

The double ring around the RZM mark is rather to rank to a later period. Insofar it supports your theory!

I can't make out exactly how the finisch was done! Is the gold colouring painted or anodized?

Best regards,

Guido

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello David,

an interesting buckle, which material is made of ?

Best

Ric

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

The double ring around the RZM mark is rather to rank to a later period

[Guido L.]

May I ask, what exactly your question is?

Regards,
Guido

[David North]

An apology

It would appear that I owe the forum an apology for an inadvertently misleading and confusing post.

My sincere apologies in relation to mistakenly referring to the maker of this buckle as Overhoff. As Guido has quite rightly pointed out, 72 is Wilhelm Deumer and 27 is Overhoff und Cie. A "senior moment" on my part.

The query still however applies. I was always under the impression that this oval mark and which includes the extra striation, was possibly an indication of the confusion that makers found themselves in, when the final series of RZM marks came in to force.

Attached is a comparison of the Overhoff and Deumer "ovals".

Guido
A lacquer type finish.

Ric
As you suspected - steel !!

Regards,

David

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

May I ask, what exactly your question is?

Regards,
Guido

Reading David's first post then reading "The double ring around the RZM mark is rather to rank to a later period" made me believe double rings around the RZM would indicate a manufacture post 1938.
Is it what you mean?

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

double rings around the RZM would indicate a manufacture post 1938.
Is it what you mean?

So?

[Guido L.]

Reading David's first post then reading "The double ring around the RZM mark is rather to rank to a later period" made me believe double rings around the RZM would indicate a manufacture post 1938.
Is it what you mean?

No, this is not exactly what I wanted to say. Maybe a little bit vague, but I meant what I have written: "later period". Indeed are double rings known for instance on SS buckles from earlier years (36/37; RZM 63; RZM 57). My thought was simply, that buckles with double rings around the RZM mark are rather from the late 30th's than mid 30th's.

Regards,
Guido