German EM Belt and Buckle- Any thoughts?

[starshy]

Hello,

Today, I picked up this apparent mid-late war Heer belt and buckle set for a low price at a local flea market. Overall, my greatest concern is over the authenticity of the buckle, which has several issues:

1) This eagle's body has a much thinner profile and contour than most original Heer buckles I've seen. The definition of the beak and head differs in shape from other examples. Lastly, the arched, pointed areas at the top of the wings, which are less pronounced and flattened in other buckles.

2) The clasp attaches itself directly to the very top and bottom of the buckle, which I believe is also atypical of most Heer buckles as they should form a loop in the center.

As for the enlisted belt, it seems to resemble an average German infantry belt, although the markings are also a bit unique: such as the "9" stamp on one of the ends (which I'm assuming refers to the size), and the markings for the tongue which read,

" K.BARTA
VGRM. GUBAT & Co
PRAG "

Is it all possible that the belt could have been produced under German occupation in Czechoslovakia, or is it a post-war example? The wear itself seems roughly period, although the stampings are a bit bewildering.

Please give me your opinion on the set, and why it is or is not original, World War Two.

Thank you,

Poly

[helmutderpa]

Imo

Hello,

That particular setup of the buckle reminds me of the maker CTD.
Do a research in the forum to compare your buckle with...
I believe that the set is original.

Best Regards.

Simon

[starshy]

Thanks, I just started browsing the forum for any that are generally similar. Also for the record, the buckle does not have any maker stamps from what I could find.

[Ric Ferrari]

Hello,

Today, I picked up this apparent mid-late war Heer belt and buckle set for a low price at a local flea market. Overall, my greatest concern is over the authenticity of the buckle, which has several issues:

1) This eagle's body has a much thinner profile and contour than most original Heer buckles I've seen. The definition of the beak and head differs in shape from other examples. Lastly, the arched, pointed areas at the top of the wings, which are less pronounced and flattened in other buckles.

2) The clasp attaches itself directly to the very top and bottom of the buckle, which I believe is also atypical of most Heer buckles as they should form a loop in the center.

As for the enlisted belt, it seems to resemble an average German infantry belt, although the markings are also a bit unique: such as the "9" stamp on one of the ends (which I'm assuming refers to the size), and the markings for the tongue which read,

" K.BARTA
VGRM. GUBAT & Co
PRAG "

Is it all possible that the belt could have been produced under German occupation in Czechoslovakia, or is it a post-war example? The wear itself seems roughly period, although the stampings are a bit bewildering.

Please give me your opinion on the set, and why it is or is not original, World War Two.

Thank you,

Poly

Hallo Poly,

both the components of your set are original.
The buckle is by Herman Aurich in Dresden, sometimes this kind of buckle is maker marked near the swastika on the back side

Best

Ric

[starshy]

Just out of curiosity, why is this type of eagle "slimmer" than the wider variant I often see on period buckles?

[Ric Ferrari]

Just out of curiosity, why is this type of eagle "slimmer" than the wider variant I often see on period buckles?

Each maker had a different style of eagle even though similar, this one bears the typical features of the Aurich's one.

Ric

[starshy]

Ah, I see. What do you think about the belt? It seems like a period Czech produced item for the German army.

[starshy]

No ideas anyone?

[GLM]

No ideas anyone?

Hi,

Nothing wrong with the belt. It appears to have an Overhoff (OLC in Diamond) logo on the catch and from what I can see, the stitching doesn't look like it's been messed with. A period piece! Many times you can find legitimate combined Czech and German marked parts on one piece of equipment.

Gary

[starshy]

Thank you for the information, it's relieving to hear that this is a period piece. I purchased this from a local flea market for what I now consider to be an excellent price. I doubted the set initially since it seemed quite low and there are numerous reproductions flooding the market.

Since I'm beginning to collect original German items, I don't have an intimate knowledge of buckles just yet (although I've made the effort to purchase several good reference books to rectify that).

[Marc verstraete]

nice and dificult to find set wit a nice non german prodused belt, I love these.
Marc